an opinion pleaseon finding the MRCA

[rsel]

WATO would give me the same possibilities as everything else has ,so it's just going round in circles.  I am looking seriously at an NPE some time back in the part where everyone is in England - specifically Norfolk. 

The match family was still in England when the test was done for DNA. The matches I am finding are all born here in Australia. So there has to be a connection back before 1871 when the early members immigrated from Norfolk. 

My next move I think should be to connect all the four people from Australia in a large pedigree diagram and see who are their MRCAs.   

Hi Essnell,
    Its sounds like you are doing the same sort of things i have been doing for a group of ancestors. I  to identified that they had a MCRA couple who emigrated to Australia some time in the 1830's. I have built out a tree with those ancestors to confirm this MRCA for them, so i know the connection must be with one of the ancestors of this couple. I am still stumped though on exactly where.
    A question for you though, you say you haven't built the tree for the four people in Australia, so how are you using the WATO tool,  do you have multiple identified matches on your side that you are checking against the 4 as individuals or are you just doing 1-to-1 compares ?  if so the suggestion i would make is to build the tree for the 4 people and try to calculate how they match to you (i.e. flip it round from the normal way you might use the tool). I have found that sometimes looking at the data from a different direction can give you a different insight and makes other ideas jump out.
    Like Biggles says though, you will probably be stuck for now with just being able to work out a possible generation where the match occurs rather than specific person/people, unless you get some  other DNA matches that provide a missing link to narrow it down further.

Richard

[Biggles50]

OK

I have two highish DNA matches, neither have shared matches between them.  The tree of one was 700 people and for the other 900. 

Using WATO for the 900 tree gave me results that just did not make any sense, but said results did mean that many possibilities could be discounted.  To add to confusion the results gave no valid pathway between the two trees.

The only feasible conclusion being that the birth in 1880 of a child born out of wedlock to an Irish Catholic couple resulted in the child being “adopted” by the couple who gave the child their name and raised him as their own.  The Irish Catholic couple married in 1882 in a location different from where they were to spend the remainder of their lives which also happened to be the same City where their child was raised.

When this is considered and the two trees merged, the cM values and relationships with DNA matches work.

There is no documentation to support this, nor I expect that there ever will be and based on your research so far you look to be in the same boat as I was.

[brigidmac]

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[Essnell]

HI to ''Everyone"
 Bigglges50,  I think that i could be in the same boat .

rsel: Yes the three that coincide are from the couple who immigrated to Australia . Two are from one branch and the third from another.
I am also in that group but from a different child of the MRCA couple.

We all have this "mystery person"   as a match somewhere along the line.   
All of this group are in Australia. 
The Mystery person hails from Norfolk, as did the MRCA Couple above.. the Mystery Match's family are all from Norfolk Englalnd.

I have built the tree of this person back as far as I can to early 1700 era.    The family name at grandparent level is the same as the MCRA couple and even where most of them were born and lived.  So the location is Norfolk, England.

Today  I started on another child's line of the MCRA couple but have nothing conclusive there but it's interesting and might help further.  I shall find more tomorrow.

It's got to be somewhere .... the known connections are just too definite... keeping digging. 

Bridgmac   
Essnell.