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Re: 3rd Cousin match and the mystery great grandmother
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 06 October 24 08:23 BST (UK) »
I agree with Biggles - look at the mutual matches you have with your 50cM match.

Have you contacted the 50cM match in case they have more information or a family tree they can share with you?

As well as names in common consider places in common, as your ancestors must have met up at some stage.

50cM is a reasonably high amount of shared dna, so finding the connection is possible.

It is not impossible but I would think it quite unusual that you had 0 matches on that particular great grandmother’s line. 0 close matches, quite possible, but 0 matches at all? It might be worth getting a second opinion.

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Re: 3rd Cousin match and the mystery great grandmother
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 06 October 24 14:51 BST (UK) »

It is not impossible but I would think it quite unusual that you had 0 matches on that particular great grandmother’s line. 0 close matches, quite possible, but 0 matches at all? It might be worth getting a second opinion.

Not impossible at all. I have only one or two faint matches (like, 9cM) for my great grandmother, on her father's side. From her mother's, not a thing. Nothing from the locality. Her mother's surname was Smith! And my closest unknown paternal match is 33cM, and the tree is private, and will probably turn out to belong elsewhere on my tree. My DNA lists are full of maternal relatives!
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Liverpool - Platt, Cunningham, Ditton
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Oxfordshire - Hitchcock, Smith, Leonard, Taunt
Durham - Hepburn, Eltringham
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Somerset - Taylor (Bath)
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Re: 3rd Cousin match and the mystery great grandmother
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 06 October 24 17:28 BST (UK) »

It is not impossible but I would think it quite unusual that you had 0 matches on that particular great grandmother’s line. 0 close matches, quite possible, but 0 matches at all? It might be worth getting a second opinion.

Not impossible at all. I have only one or two faint matches (like, 9cM) for my great grandmother, on her father's side. From her mother's, not a thing. Nothing from the locality. Her mother's surname was Smith! And my closest unknown paternal match is 33cM, and the tree is private, and will probably turn out to belong elsewhere on my tree. My DNA lists are full of maternal relatives!

If you have no identifiable DNA matches that you can link into your tree at Great Grandparent level or beyond them then I would question that the lines you have may not be biological.

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Re: 3rd Cousin match and the mystery great grandmother
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 06 October 24 18:55 BST (UK) »
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If you have no identifiable DNA matches that you can link into your tree at Great Grandparent level or beyond them then I would question that the lines you have may not be biological.

Well, quite! But we have DNA matches to her husband’s mother’s family, so know she is my great-granny. None of the rest of her more recent family has tested (or will test) except one, who discovered she was adopted as a result.

But even if somewhere there is a cuckoo in the nest, at that level there should be some matches, even if they’re not known to us. And there are no matches! Nothing at all that’s identifiable as relating to that line. All my closest matches are known or we can see exactly who they are. Most of them are from my mother’s family, but enough from my father’s other lines to confirm they are correct. I uploaded to several other sites with the same result.

She was from Oxfordshire, nowhere near the rest of my father’s family (Cheshire, North Wales, London). I do have groups of small matches that I can’t work out where they fit, but none of them seem to be from Oxfordshire.

Great-granny’s don’t drop out of a clear blue sky, but mine appears to have. We have baptism and marriage certs, but crucially no birth certificate. I think she was adopted, but records in the 1850s were none existent. But even adopted there should be something!
Website: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~towcesterfamilies/genealogy/
Towcester - anything, any time
Cheshire - Lambert, Houghland, Birtwisle
Liverpool - Platt, Cunningham, Ditton
London - Notley, Elsom, Billett
Oxfordshire - Hitchcock, Smith, Leonard, Taunt
Durham - Hepburn, Eltringham
Berwickshire - Guthrie, Crawford
Somerset - Taylor (Bath)
Gloucestershire - Verrinder, Colborn
Dorset - Westlake


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Re: 3rd Cousin match and the mystery great grandmother
« Reply #13 on: Monday 07 October 24 10:40 BST (UK) »
In one of the trees that I manage in the nearly twenty years that I have been researching and the eight years since DNA tests were included in the tree the descendant(s) of the unknown Father of the Great Grandmother have never showed up in any DNA Match.

I have looked at matches who would link to a MRCA beyond the unknown Father.

Every 20cM and above DNA Match has been looked at, all 480+ of them, all to no avail.

Hence it is parked and checked every six months or so.

It can be a waiting game.