Struggling

[heywood]

There is another John Rogan marriage in Bootle in 1872 to Mary Morgan - that person might be the brother.
Both marriages were either Registrar attended or at the Register Office.

You need to find your John Rogan’s father before you can find his mother.

You say that Ancestry ‘auto-filled it in’ but you need to check the records out.

[heywood]

Just a point - the first born son to John and Bridget was named Edward. That may have some significance if they followed a naming pattern.

[NorthernGeezer]

So, age 24, Patrick was in Ireland in 1867 getting married, 4 years later age 28 he was in Millom, John is listed as age 21 in the 1871 census so born in 1850, the John Rogan Ancestry gave me is therefore NOT my John Rogan.

[NorthernGeezer]

I get it Heywood, evidence is everything, I'm not that enamoured with Ancestry, it hints at things and provides evidence to support its hints, I'm getting better at finding said evidence but i still pay too much attention to what Ancestry tells me.
And your right, my search for Edward should lead me to his wife and Johns mother so I'll back track a little bit and see where that gets me.
Thanks for your help, I'll keep you posted.

[heywood]

You are now assuming that Edward is John’s father.
You need to check his marriage record to see who is named.

Ancestry has records - parish/civil/census etc which can be searched and checked.

There are also published family trees where people have presented their finds. Sometimes, these are based on evidence and research and some are not. You will find many errors where people just find a name and use it.
Those records are not ‘Ancestry’ giving you conflicting information it is those responsible for the family trees.

[CaroleW]

We have all lost count of the amount of rubbish you can find on poorly researched trees & the advice is always the same.  Start from what you know as true & do your own research

Buy the 1876 Rogan/Carton marriage cert & establish who their fathers were before attempting to research backwards from John

I have given you John & Bridgets birthplaces in my earlier reply

[Albufera32]

Ancestry's hints and the suggested parents feature both work the same way.

Ancestry compares the people in your tree with the people in other trees, looking for similarities. When it sees someone else with the same name, born in the same or similar location, with spouse and or children with the same names, it guesses that they might be the same person, and hence suggests hints based on that guess.

In other words, all it is doing is suggesting a person or document that someone else added to a person in their tree, that Ancestry thinks might be the same person that you have in your tree.

As long as that other person is in fact the same person as is in your tree, and not just a similar namesake, and as long as the information the owner of that tree has added is accurate, everything works fine - but if the two are not in fact the same, or the other person has added a relative or a document in error, the associated hint will be wrong.

Ancestry's hint system can be highly useful - it can also be highly misleading. The simple rule is to always check the documentary evidence yourself. Never just accept Ancestry hints without first checking any relevant documents. If a hint came from someone else's tree, take a look at that tree to see if it does seem to match the information you already know.

[NorthernGeezer]

Thanks for the advice guys, I do a lot of gaining the evidence, census reports, baptism records, GRO records etc but I hit the blocks when I cant find any of them, which is why the forums on RootsChat are a godsend.
So, moving forward, I'll search and order up the records as suggested and see where that takes me, once again, thanks for all your help and I'll keep you posted on my research.