Margaret Venus Forrest b abt 1855

[mulberry-rose]

Had a breakthrough 

I was struggling to find Ellen’s GRO record and a marriage for Ann Forest but reckon I’ve found it.

5 Dec 1853 at Drypool, Patrick Fitzgerald (21), bachelor, labourer, son of John Fitzgerald marries Hannah Buttler (18) dau of Patrick Buttler

GRO Record had 21 Aug 1856 at Pound’s Passage, Hull, Helen FitzGerrard dau of Patrick FitzGerrard (stone mason’s labourer) & Hannah Butler. Birth date matches with the baptism in 1858.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Now having trouble locating Margaret in 1871 with possible mother Ann.

In fact, the whole Buckley family disappears 

I think Ann has moved on to a new partner - 1871 census, Northowram, Halifax

John Butterworth   40  cotton spinner b Oldham
Annie Butterworth    37    Wife b London
Margaret Butterworth    19   b Hull
Ellen Butterworth      15   b Hull
Annie Butterworth      4
John Butterworth       1

There's a birth registrations for a John Butterworth (1870) with mmn Buckley in Halifax - although the image says all the children were b Hull

[mulberry-rose]

Mabel Bagshawe

A brilliant find, thank you so much  I was going around in circles trying to find them.

Another surname to add to the ever growing list…Buckley, Fitzgerald, Forrest, Butterworth, Walsh

[wivenhoe]

* What documentation do you have for the BDM events of the people you are researching?

* Can you please list all the information on the marriage certificate, 1877  WALSH x FORREST.

* Can you please list the information on the birth certificates for the children born of this couple.

* Can you please identify the family you see in the 1881 Census  ie  names, ages and birthplace. Using Ancestry, England Census 1881, I am not seeing the family.

[mulberry-rose]

Margaret Venus Forrest marries Peter Walsh Jun Qtr 1877 at Oldham 8d 945

• Silvester Walsh b Mar Qtr 1878 Oldham 8d 669 (FindMyPast has baptism record; born 13 Feb 1878 bap 27 Oct 1878 at Shaw, St Joseph Lancashire)
• Thomas Walsh b Dec Qtr 1879 Oldham 8d 574 (FindMyPast has as born 25 Aug 1879, bap 5 Oct 1879 at Our Lady of Mount Carmel & St Patrick, Oldham)
• Annie Walsh b Dec Qtr 1880 Oldham 8d 674 (Ancestry has as born 26 Aug 1880, bap 17 Oct 1880 at Saint Carmel Oldham)
• Mary Ellen Walsh b Mar Qtr 1883 Hartlepool 10A 158
• Mark Welch b Jun Qtr 1885 Oldham 8d 579
• John William Walsh b Sep Qtr 1887 8d 570 (Ancestry has as born 28 May 1888, bap 15 Jul 1888 at Oldham).

1881 Census; 1 Davison Street, Oldham (transcribed as Welsh instead of Walsh on Ancestry)
Thomas Welsh, 54, b Ireland, labourer
Mary Welsh, 50, b Ireland (wife)
Mary E Welsh, 22, b Prescott Lancashire, piecer in cotton factory (dau)
Margaret Welsh, 26, b Oldham Lancashire, card room hand (dau in law)
Silvester Welsh, 3, b Oldham
Annie Welsh, 1, b Oldham

1891 Census: Wooleys Court, Dukinfield,
Peter Walsh, 38, b Prescott Lancashire, labourer in foundry
Annie Walsh, 10, b Royton Lancashire (dau)
Mary E Walsh, 8, b Hartlepool (dau)
Mark Walsh, 6, b Oldham Lancashire (son)
John W Walsh, 2, b Oldham Lancashire (son)

[wivenhoe]

I think this document would be useful for your research -

   * Can you please list all the information on the marriage certificate, 1877  WALSH x FORREST.

It will give ages, occupations, names of witnesses, addresses, signatures

This looks interesting?

https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
20 May 1875 St Mary the Virgin, Prestwich, Lancashire
Thomas ANDREW    23         moulder, Bachelor, Oldham
father Thomas ANDREW      pointsman

Hannah TAYLOR  (X) 21       carder spinster, Oldham
father Joseph TAYLOR          weaver     
witnesses Edwin COOKE   Margaret Venn FORREST
 

[wivenhoe]

GRO births

WALSH Silvester   mms      FOREST 
1878  MarQ                       Oldham     Vol 98D pg 669

WALSH, Thomas    mms       FORREST 
1879  DecQ                       Oldham     Vol 08D pg 574

WALSH Annie        mms       FERRIST    Vol 08D pg 674

WALSH Mary Ellen mms     FORREST 
1883  MarQ                       Hartlepool  Vol 10A pg 158

WELCH Mark         mms      FORREST 
1885  JunQ                        Oldham     Vol 08D pg 579

WALSH John William    mms   FORREST 
1888  SepQ                       Oldham     Vol 08D pg 570

[wivenhoe]

Ancestey marriage Manchester

St James Oldham Lancashire  23 Dec  1899
WALSH Sylvester   21y  bachelor  cotton piecer  1 Collinge St
father  Peter WALSH   fire beater

MARSHALL Elizabeth  20y spinster  card room hand  4 Back Ball St
father  Edward MARSHALL (deceased)  carter
witnesses Joseph MOONEY   Sarah Jane HILTON                   (all parties sign)

Is this your Silvester WALSH?.   Where is he for the 1891 Census?

[mulberry-rose]

This looks interesting?

https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
20 May 1875 St Mary the Virgin, Prestwich, Lancashire
Thomas ANDREW    23         moulder, Bachelor, Oldham
father Thomas ANDREW      pointsman

Hannah TAYLOR  (X) 21       carder spinster, Oldham
father Joseph TAYLOR          weaver     
witnesses Edwin COOKE   Margaret Venn FORREST
 

Wow, what a great find! And certainly a very useful resource too—thank you. I don’t recognise any other names in this marriage but this at least means Margaret was in Lancashire by about 1875.

Ancestey marriage Manchester

St James Oldham Lancashire  23 Dec  1899
WALSH Sylvester   21y  bachelor  cotton piecer  1 Collinge St
father  Peter WALSH   fire beater

MARSHALL Elizabeth  20y spinster  card room hand  4 Back Ball St
father  Edward MARSHALL (deceased)  carter
witnesses Joseph MOONEY   Sarah Jane HILTON                   (all parties sign)

Is this your Silvester WALSH?.   Where is he for the 1891 Census?

If it recall that is the same Sylvester Walsh. In 1891 he was living at Chadderton as a ‘cousin’ of Mary E Walsh (though would be a nephew). Still no sign of Margaret.

Thomas Colman, 34, head
Mary E Colman, 29, wife
Mary J Colman, 9, dau
Thomas Colman, 5, son
Alexander Colman, 2, son
John Colman, 2/12, son
Thomas Walsh, 70, father
Sylvester Walsh, 13, cousin, born Oldham Lanc

Although this newspaper article (Stalybridge Reporter, 27 Feb 1892) about her stealing in does indicate that she would’ve been living at Wooley’s Court at some point. It seems Peter Walsh was quite abusive to her so perhaps that’s why she stayed apart.