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Help again with some handwriting
« on: Thursday 24 October 24 17:11 BST (UK) »
I have a will of Walter Backshell 1612, if someone could help with the handwring that would be great, I have split it into 2 documents hopefully it's easier to read.

Also I have an Inventory of Susan Backshell which I have also split into 2 documents for ease of reading.

Many thanks in advance

Val


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Re: Help again with some handwriting
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 24 October 24 17:18 BST (UK) »
It is sometimes a good idea to just post these documents a bit at a time and try to decipher what you can and leave us to fill in the blanks.  You will find that many words are repeated and it is the way we have learnt to understand them just by practice.

Your post is a bit daunting for anyone wanting to try and help with so much on it.  :-[
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Re: Help again with some handwriting
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 24 October 24 18:41 BST (UK) »
I agree with rosie99 - it's best to focus on one document at a time.

But in any case there seems to be something wrong here. Leaving aside the inventory for the moment, the first image shows the nuncupative will of Walter Backshell, given on 28 September 1612. No executor is named.

The second image shows a grant of administration (duplicated) made on 30 October 1612 to Samuel Newington, natural and lawful son of the deceased, granted because the executor named in the will has renounced.

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This post linked below relates to the grant of administration for the nuncupative will of Walter Backshell ...
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=854773.msg7229510#msg7229510

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Re: Help again with some handwriting
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 24 October 24 19:22 BST (UK) »
Thanks to you both for your replies. Sorry to have asked too much, I do get over enthusastic sometimes !

Kind Regards

Val


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Re: Help again with some handwriting
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 24 October 24 21:57 BST (UK) »
In the name of God Amen The eight and
twentith day of September Anno D(omi)ni 1612
Walter Backshell of Hendfield in the Countye
of Sussex yeoman sicke in bodye but of
wholl minde & in good Remembrance did make and
Declare his last Will and Testament nuncupative
in manner and forme in effect as followeth
Firste hee Com(m)itted his soule into the hands of the
Almightye And his Bodye to the earthe from whence
yt Came to bee buryed in decent & Christiann
manner  And as touchinge the orderinge & disposinge
of his Worldlye goodes hee did will & bequeathe them as
followeth  Firste hee did will give and bequeath to his
three eldest sonnes the som(m)e of Twentye markes
A peece to each of them of lawfull money of England
There beinge presente at the utteringe and
declareinge of this his said last will & Testament
nuncupative Hughe Vincent of Woodmancoate
Thomas Averye of Hurstperponnd and Mathew
Backshell
of Barkham.


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Re: Help again with some handwriting
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 24 October 24 22:18 BST (UK) »
This grant of administration (from the 2nd image, in duplicate) appears to be unrelated to the above will of Walter Backshell, but I have done it for you regardless ...

Tricesimo die Octobris Anno Domini millesimo sexcentesimo

duodecimo M(agist)er Will(el)mus Inians Presb(yt)er Artiu(m) M(agist)er surrogatus

&c eo quod Executor in h(uius)mo(d)i Testamento retroscripto

nominatus ob Causas animu(m) suu(m) movent(es) oneri execuc(i)o(n)is

h(uius)mo(d)i Testamenti ^ac Juri suo in eod(e)m^ expresse renunciavit ac in p(ro)pria p(er)sona

Coram D(omi)no Surrogato pred(icto) hanc renunciac(i)o(n)em suam inactitari

petijt ad Cuius petic(i)o(n)em d(omi)nus decrevit eand(e)m inactitand(am) &c

ac ad statim Comisit Administrac()io(n)em bonor(um) &c iuxta

tenorem Testamenti pred(icto) Samueli Newington

filio n(atu)rali et l(egi)timo dicti defuncti de bene et fideliter

Administrando &c ad sancta &c iurato.


On the thirtieth day of October in the year of the lord one thousand six hundred and twelve, Master William Inians, priest, Master of Arts, surrogate etc., because the executor named in the aforewritten will for reasons moving his mind expressly renounced the burden of execution of this will and his right to the same, and in his own person before the aforesaid Master Surrogate asked for his renunciation to be recorded, the Master decreed that the same request should be recorded etc., and immediately granted administration of the goods etc., according to the tenor of the will, to the aforesaid Samuel Newington, the natural and lawful son of the said deceased, to well and faithfully administer etc., sworn on the Holy etc.
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I will leave the Inventory to others.

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Re: Help again with some handwriting
« Reply #6 on: Friday 25 October 24 04:03 BST (UK) »
I've done the first part of the inventory to help get you started.

I think it should be mostly readable from here, although there'll probably be the odd word to cause trouble (poringer in the second item may be one).

We're happy to help with these words.


A true and perfect Inventory of all & singular the goods and

Chattles and reddy moneys of Susan Backshall, late, of Cokham

in the parrish of Sompting, in the County of Sussex Widow, deceased

seen, taken, vallued, and praised, the thirteenth day of May, In the year

of our Lord God one thousand six hundred seaventy and two, by us

William Alderton Richard Bever, as ffolloweth 


Inprimis  ffor money that shee had by hir, and hir

                waring cloaths

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Re: Help again with some handwriting
« Reply #7 on: Friday 25 October 24 09:05 BST (UK) »
Thanks for starting me off, it's a great help knowing how some of the letters are formed and what they are, then when you come across them again in the same document written by the same person, it really helps to decipher.

Much appreciated

Val

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Re: Help again with some handwriting
« Reply #8 on: Friday 25 October 24 09:47 BST (UK) »
It does not help that the spelling is not always what we would see nowadays.  It certainly is a learning curve.
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