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Confused about date?
« on: Monday 11 November 24 15:38 GMT (UK) »
In North Shoebury, Essex, at the start of the book there seems to be a separate register of about 5 or 6 baptisms inbetween 1711 and 1742, conducted by Thos Sabery. Then there is the regular register of baptisms, and on average about 1 to 2 people were baptised each year in North Shoebury.

John Lucking's baptism says "being Easter Day" and it says April 10th, 1723? Or 1725? But unsure what the last digit looks like, as it seems to be whoever was writing in the date made a mistake then rectified it but leaving a bit of a squiggle that looks like a 3 or even a 5.

However the first Easter Day that fell on April 10th was in 1735.

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LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
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SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
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Re: Confused about date?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 11 November 24 16:01 GMT (UK) »
That squiggle looks like a bracket.  It appears to cross over the last number, could it be a 1
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Re: Confused about date?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 11 November 24 16:27 GMT (UK) »
That squiggle looks like a bracket.  It appears to cross over the last number, could it be a 1

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Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Confused about date?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 11 November 24 17:25 GMT (UK) »
I agree with Rosie99, that looks like a partially obscured 1 to me.
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Re: Confused about date?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 11 November 24 17:40 GMT (UK) »
That date really does not make sense.  Isaiah & Hannah seemed to have had a few attempts at baptising a son John  :-\   Transcript on Ancestry says 1726
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Re: Confused about date?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 11 November 24 18:03 GMT (UK) »
Years ago someone uploaded a tree saying the John Lucking who wed Eliz Otley in 1752 in nearby Foulness, Essex, was the one who was son of Isaiah and Hannah born in N Shoebury in 1721, but I found another John Lucking baptised in 1725 in North Shoerbury, son of John and Mary, hence why i am having a task seeing which, if either was the one who wed in 1752 in Foulness. When my John died in 1786, he was said to be 64, but as we know ages on documents were rarely bang on back then.

I think my John had a sister Mary Lucking (usually Mary on documents but one or 2 instances she was said to be Eliz) who wed Thos Harper in N Shoebury in 1744 as the Harper and my John Lucking witness numerous marriages in Foulness. No evidence that Isaiah and Hannah had a daughter Mary but John and Mary Lucking has a daughter Mary in 1723, the same couple who had a son John in 1725. When my John married, he had no sons called Isaiah.

It does seem Isaiah and Hannah had at least 1 child called John, or tried to baptise John a few times. I did find a John Lucking buried in June 1721, but the register does not say if he was an infant or not.



Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Confused about date?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 11 November 24 23:12 GMT (UK) »
I read it as 1726 with the bracket starting at the top of the number 6.

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Re: Confused about date?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 12 November 24 01:54 GMT (UK) »
Most listings of dates for Easter are in the Gregorian calendar. But England - or rather, the CofE, wasn't using the Gregorian calendar.
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Re: Confused about date?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 12 November 24 02:00 GMT (UK) »
Easter Sunday in the Julian Calendar was on April 10th in 1726.

What was 10th April 1726 in England, was 21 April 1726 in the advanced, civilized world..... i.e. 11 day difference.
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