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Re: Thomas Richard Morgan (1820-63) - farmer in Dolfor.
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 04 February 25 12:14 GMT (UK) »
The 1901 for Edward M Morgan shows his birthplace as Kerry & the 1891 Dolfor then 1881 as Kerry living as stepson - See earlier reply from Mabel

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Re: Thomas Richard Morgan (1820-63) - farmer in Dolfor.
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 04 February 25 15:15 GMT (UK) »
Carole, your tone seems rather impatient and combative. I’m not sure why.

I have no shortage of information about Edward Morris Morgan, my great grandfather. My issue with his father, Thomas Richard Morgan.

I know his dates/years from his gravestone. EMM was his third child, born in Dolfor, a small village near Newtown, which was in the parish of Kerry. Cwmdu is not in Glamorgan; it is, I assume, a house name or farm in Dolfor. As Cwmdu simply means black valley, I imagine it is not an uncommon name.

EMM’s older brother was born in 1859 in Bettws Cedewain, another village near Newtown. I infer from this that Thomas was a tenant farmer who moved around. He’s not described as an Ag Lab but as a farmer. I don’t, however have the details of his marriage, so cannot get a certificate. Nevertheless, his wife was married to Mr Morris until he died in 1850, and she and Thomas had a daughter Margaret in 1854 (she dies in 1867). So the marriage was - probably - between 1850 and 1854.

I haven’t found Thomas on any census either - not knowingly anyway. The problem is his common name. There are any number chaps called Thomas Morgan in mid Wales and of course I don’t know his whereabouts at all before 1859 at the age of 39. He was presumably single before 1854, so the 1841 and 1851 census won’t help much in terms of relatives with identifiable names.

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Re: Thomas Richard Morgan (1820-63) - farmer in Dolfor.
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 04 February 25 16:35 GMT (UK) »
Margaret b 1854 & George b 1859 - have you found them on the 1861 census.  I'm not having any luck.   I can find one Thomas & Jane - childless & Thomas was b 1834

There is a Thomas & Jane Morgans but wrong children & birthyears
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Re: Thomas Richard Morgan (1820-63) - farmer in Dolfor.
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 04 February 25 16:45 GMT (UK) »
Looking at the missing Welsh 1861 shows the following pieces are missing for Montgomeryshire

4256
4261-4263
4265

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Re: Thomas Richard Morgan (1820-63) - farmer in Dolfor.
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 04 February 25 17:35 GMT (UK) »
Thanks again. This is why I'm stuck.

In a previous reply, Mabel said

"There's a potential Thomas Morgan - Jane Morris marriage in Q4 1851"

...which sounds promising, but I haven't found that. At least the names and date all fit.

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Re: Thomas Richard Morgan (1820-63) - farmer in Dolfor.
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 04 February 25 17:57 GMT (UK) »
Marriage is on freebmd - www.freebmd.org.uk

Thomas Morgan Dec qtr 1851 Newtown 27 239

There are several entries on the same page - one of which is Jane Morris.  Unfortunately they won't appear on the 1851 as the marriage was after the census.  There is also no guarantee that Thomas married Jane Morris as there are 4 male & 4 female names but no way of knowing from that entry who married who
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Re: Thomas Richard Morgan (1820-63) - farmer in Dolfor.
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 04 February 25 18:04 GMT (UK) »
1851 has 4 entries for a Thomas Morgan in the age range.  The only one unmarried was aged 30  - father Richard aged 63 is a farmer. Mother is Anne

Both b Aberhale
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Re: Thomas Richard Morgan (1820-63) - farmer in Dolfor.
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 05 February 25 11:12 GMT (UK) »
This is a longshot.  The marriage wasn’t that long after the 1851 census.  You could chance buying the 1851 cert & put a condition on it that you only want it if marriage was to Jane Morris.

If his address is shown on the cert you can compare it with the Thomas I found above. 

If not - if you have a FindMyPast sub you can search the 1851 by address
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Re: Thomas Richard Morgan (1820-63) - farmer in Dolfor.
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 05 February 25 11:18 GMT (UK) »
Thank you. It seems very likely that this is the correct marriage, so I will certainly try that.

I suppose it’s certain there is a certificate? I’m surprised it hasn’t come up on Ancestry, but I’m no expert on how all the sources work.