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Griffith Family of Lloftwen, Pengelli, now Coedpoeth - 1851 census?
« on: Monday 23 December 24 13:02 GMT (UK) »
I have been looking up the Griffith family who were landowners in Esclusham and nearby in the 18th and 19th century. I see that the couple Elizabeth Griffith (1781-1858) and Robert Glyn (also Glynne) Griffith (1778-1857) were around in the 1851 census, but it seems they had moved away from their house at Lloftwen in Coedpoeth. I wonder if someone can tell me where they were? I think the 1841 census is missing.

Elizabeth Griffith inherited the estate of her father Edward Griffith (wife Sarah) around 1800. I have yet to discover Edward's father, but there is a property transaction in 1724 which mentions "Anne Griffith of Morton Wallicorum, co. Denb., widow, and her son and heir apparent, Edward Griffith". Edward Griffith appears in other local property transaction until 1776, and possibly as a tenant in 1796 (if its the same person).

The problem I am having is discovering the changes in names of the farms that seemed to occur about this time, and tracing the family tree of the landowners might help me.

Perhaps there is a Griffith family burial plot, but I have yet to discover it. Robert Glyn Griffith was born in Mold, but was seemingly from another Griffith bloodline. Any ideas welcome - and they do seem to be Griffith rather than Griffiths.

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Re: Griffith Family of Lloftwen, Pengelli, now Coedpoeth - 1851 census?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 23 December 24 14:15 GMT (UK) »
1851 seems to be Mount Street Mount House.  Family above at same address & last entry on previous page also same address but all different names.  Mount St has a lot of entries

1851 ref is Piece 2503 Folio 430 Page 5
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Re: Griffith Family of Lloftwen, Pengelli, now Coedpoeth - 1851 census?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 23 December 24 18:19 GMT (UK) »
February 1850. RG Griffith was lised at Lloftwen.

Left side of page . Article Thomas Griffiths Esq

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3598550/3598554/10/

Mount Street became a pretty rough place later.
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Re: Griffith Family of Lloftwen, Pengelli, now Coedpoeth - 1851 census?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 23 December 24 18:38 GMT (UK) »
Just search with these details, 

Wrexham P., Bersham T.
Landowner Thompson John
Occupier Griffiths Robert Glyn

This is possibly Lloftwen,  it's the right area.

https://places.library.wales/

Penygelli is part of Coedpoeth,  but the parish is Bersham. 
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Re: Griffith Family of Lloftwen, Pengelli, now Coedpoeth - 1851 census?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 23 December 24 19:44 GMT (UK) »
Robert Glyn Griffith is in Wrexham Parish Church burial registers.  Abode Chester Street. Under his name is Loft Wen.

The Ruthin Road Cemetery in Wrexham was being used for burials by then as the Churchyard was full.
There are NO records of burials.
There was also the Dissenters burial ground in Rhosddu.

Lloftwen was closely associated with Adwy Chapel in Coedpoeth which had its own burial ground.
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Re: Griffith Family of Lloftwen, Pengelli, now Coedpoeth - 1851 census?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 23 December 24 19:58 GMT (UK) »

These take a while to load.

https://archiveshub.jisc.ac.uk/files/denbighshire/DD-W_WrexhamSolicitors.xml

Found in this document,  it's difficult to read. There may be more at Denbighshire Archives.


Sarah Griffith of Lloftwen, widow, and Robert Glynne Griffith of Lloftwen, esq., and Elizabeth, his wife.</p>

<p>(ii) Jane Davies of Plasdrain, widow.</p>

<p>Two messuages called Wern and Vron in Esclusham.</p>

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There's a lot of records in this one. Search Lloftwen

https://archiveshub.jisc.ac.uk/files/denbighshire/DD-PP_PlasPower.xml


ii) Sarah Griffith of Lloftwen co.Denbigh, widow (and relict of Edward Griffith late of Lloftwen, esq.), Robert Glynne Griffith of Lloftwen, esq., and Elizabeth his wife.</p>

<p>Lands in Bersham.</p>

<p>Term: 500 years.</p>

Sorry it's a bit messy.



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Re: Griffith Family of Lloftwen, Pengelli, now Coedpoeth - 1851 census?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 23 December 24 21:06 GMT (UK) »
1851 seems to be Mount Street Mount House.  Family above at same address & last entry on previous page also same address but all different names.  Mount St has a lot of entries

1851 ref is Piece 2503 Folio 430 Page 5

Many thanks Carole, subsequent posts suggest they still had ownership of Loftwen, but it was available for rent in 1852 - so maybe they decided to downsize. Mount House is unknown to me at the moment, so will have to look into it.

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Re: Griffith Family of Lloftwen, Pengelli, now Coedpoeth - 1851 census?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 23 December 24 21:09 GMT (UK) »
February 1850. RG Griffith was lised at Lloftwen.

Left side of page . Article Thomas Griffiths Esq

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3598550/3598554/10/

Mount Street became a pretty rough place later.

Well spotted - so you think Mount House is unlikely to have been the final residence of a well-set elderly couple. I am not aware of its history or location, but suspect they let out Loftwen and downsized. Certainly it was available for rent in 1852.

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Re: Griffith Family of Lloftwen, Pengelli, now Coedpoeth - 1851 census?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 23 December 24 21:36 GMT (UK) »
Just search with these details, 

Wrexham P., Bersham T.
Landowner Thompson John
Occupier Griffiths Robert Glyn

This is possibly Lloftwen,  it's the right area.

https://places.library.wales/

Penygelli is part of Coedpoeth,  but the parish is Bersham.

583 is Loftwen. Interesting in that it says the landowner for Loftwen is John Thompson, and that Robert Glyn Griffith is the occupier. As Elizabeth's family had quite a bit of land 2 generations back, I had assumed they would own Loftwen too. What I can see is that George Griffith owns a farm called Cae Adam between Minera and Bwlchgwyn and that is occupied by John Thompson. So maybe George Griffith is a relative. More research needed!

Steve

Addendum. George Griffith born Mold 1782, proprietor of houses on 1851 census (Piece 2503 Folio 430 Page 4 - so bet he lives close). Robert Glyn Griffith born Mold 1778. I know its putting 2 and 2 together and making 5, but I would say he is Robert's brother. Not Elizabeth's family line, but she married another Griffith.

Steve