Griffith Family of Lloftwen, Pengelli, now Coedpoeth - 1851 census?

[wilcoxon]

Here is another mystery. Edward Davies is commerated on the same gravestone as Thomas Smith

I know it's the same grave because of the ID  number amd and member number.  It was submitted by Graham Lloyd. Graham was the superintendent at Ruabon Road Cemetery until his death a couple of years ago.
We worked together on the Wrexham History and the Gravestones Info site.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/204181467/edward-davies

http://hdl.handle.net/10107/99289

There is no obvious connection with the Smiths in his will


https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/204169174/thomas-smith
Died 26 January 1786.

[wilcoxon]

Found the link. 

https://thefireonthehill.wordpress.com/2015/02/23/the-practical-miner-thomas-smith-of-minera/

Smith’s will shows that he had sons called Thomas and William. These were presumably the William and Thomas Smith Jr. who were noted as partners in the mine at Nant y Ffrith. Smith seems to have survived them, being long-lived by the standards of the time (and particularly so for someone exposed to the toxic atmosphere of the lead workings). His will also notes his wife, Anne; his sons’ children; a daughter called Jane; her son Edward Davies, mercer; another daughter, Elizabeth Davies; and a third daughter, Mary, the wife of Ambrose Lloyd of Ruthin. Yet another daughter, Sarah, appears to have stayed locally and married Edward Griffith of Lloftwen, so whatever his origins, Smith’s family became well-embedded in the area’s social fabric.

[wilcoxon]

Chester Chronicle 24 Feb 1826.
On 17th inst in her 72 year Mrs Sarah Griffith of Lloftwen relict of the late Edward Griffith.
She  was buried in Wrexham Church graveyard
So born c 1754.

Would she  have been of full age for a marriage in 1774, why was there a marriage bond.
unfortunately Library of Wales didn't have the  Welsh Marriage bonds filmed.
It would be interesting to see what it reveals.

[CheshireSteve]

Chester Chronicle 24 Feb 1826.
On 17th inst in her 72 year Mrs Sarah Griffith of Lloftwen relict of the late Edward Griffith.
She  was buried in Wrexham Church graveyard
So born c 1754.

Would she  have been of full age for a marriage in 1774, why was there a marriage bond.
unfortunately Library of Wales didn't have the  Welsh Marriage bonds filmed.
It would be interesting to see what it reveals.

My, you have been busy, thanks. I have a marriage date for Sarah of 28 Jan 1778, so of full age by then. Edward must have died not long after Elizabeth was born.

There's a complex legal transaction recorded in 1803 for Sarah, and I have been looking again at the properties to tie them back to the earlier Griffith transactions. I am not sure if this is a sale or just a legal operation to create new tenencies in her name - maybe someone can explain the legalese to me. It is as follows :

1. Sarah Griffith of Lloftwen, co. Denbigh, widow and relict of Edward Griffith, late of Penygelly in the township of Bersham in the parish of Wrexham, gent., deceased; Robert Glynne Griffith of llofftwen, esq., and Elizabeth, his wife, only daughter and heiress of the said Edward Griffith.

2. John Hutchinson of Wrexham, gent.

3. Edward Eyton of Eyton Hall, co. Denbigh, esq.

Lease and Release by way of a Deed to make 2 a tenant to the precipe for suffering a Recovery of a messuage or tenement called Penygelly in the township of Bersham aforesaid; a messuage or tenement called Jones's Tenement in Bersham; a messuage or tenement called Talwrn there; a piece of land called the chapel field there; five messuages or cottages there; a messuage and tenements called Tyr cwisiad and Trawsytir ucha, alias Tu yn y Gwisied, Cae tan y Tu and y Byrdir in the township of Esclusham above Ditch in the parish of Wrexham; a messuage or tenement called Vron issa there; a messuage or cottage there; a toft or meese place and lands called Bryndinas in the township of Morton Wallicorum in the parish of Rhuabon; a messuage or tenement in the township of Cacca dutton in the parish of Holt, alias Lions, co. Denbigh; two messuages or tenements called Vron and Ty yn y pant in Garthgynan and Derwen Llanerch in the parish of Llanfair dyffryn clwyd, co. Denbigh; and a messuage or dwelling house in lampint Street in Wrexham.<<

As you can see, she had quite a lot of property. The property Bryndinas in Morton Wallicorum may be where her grandmother? Anne Griffith lived as she is recorded as living in that township c1708-1724, after the death of her husband Edward in Vrondeg.

The two properties in Llanfair dyffryn clwyd could point to family roots there, but not finding much on these. Then there's Cacca Dutton too. An interesting scatter, though the focus is on Esclusham Above in this and earlier transactions.

Steve

[wilcoxon]

Chester Chronicle 14 April 1826
This is one of 6 lots for sale. Others  have names of tenant or landowner but not this one

The OCR was pretty poor so I only copied and transcribed this one.,


TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION, At the Wynnstay Arms
,on Thursday, the 26t h day of April", 1826, between the hours of four and six o'clock in the afternoon, isubject to such conditions of salel be then and : there produced, ,
! 1 A most desirable MANSION, called Lloftwen pleasantly situated upon ' an eminence, commanding moat prospects, and within two >miles and a half of the market town of Wrexham : with the GARDENS, PLANTATIONS, and CROFT adjoining, containing about four acres of excellent Land —the House consists of dining-room,  24f. by 18f., drawing-room of the same dimensions, and good breakfast parlour, with seven -well proportioned  bed-rooms, store-room, two good kitchens, etc— There ls an excellent two-stalled STABLE and COACH-HOUSE, and a large PEW in Minera Chapel —The Gardens are well-stocked with Fruit

[wilcoxon]

Here is another mystery. Edward Davies is commerated on the same headstone as Thomas Smith. "
This looks like a good match.

Marriage by licence
Edward Davies
 Banns Date1781
Mold, Flintshire
 Date9 Jul 1781Residence PlaceWrexham
Spouse Elizabeth Smith of this parish Mold.
Witnesses Rob Griffith.  Anne Griffith.

All parties signed.

[wilcoxon]

Chester, Chronicle
Friday, Apr. 16, 1830
An identical advertisement for Lloftwen,  it's still for sale.

[wilcoxon]

Ambrose Lloyd
Marriage Banns Place Mold, Flintshire, Wales
Marriage Date 8 Nov 1772Residence Place Ruthin
Spouse Mary Smith of this parish
Witnesses Rob. Griffith.  Jona' Smith.
All signed their names.

Ambrose Lloyd was a clerk in Ruthin and mentioned a lot in the newspapers.
No death announcement.

Chester Chronicle 13 May 1814.
Mrs Ambrose Lloyd died at Plasnewydd Ruthin aged 64

It looks like Thomas Smith was quite particular about who his daughters married.

[wilcoxon]

Elizabeth Griffiths
Birth Date16 Jan 1779  Baptism Date 6 Feb 1779
Baptism Place Wrexham
Father Edward

Original image has Eliz. daughter of Edwd Griffiths of LLOFTWEN.   No mothers name. No occupation.