George COLEMAN of Dalston and Eliza second daughter of the late William GRIPPER

[trish1120]

Well that threw a spanner in the works.

If he died c 1825 then Ann may have remarried?

The William Gripper who died 30 Jun 1840 was age 25 from what I can see.
Jasper Gripper was bapt 14 Feb 1810 to THOMAS/MARTHA
William also to same Parents 08 Mar 1815, mother as Martha Bryckner Gripper
1st child seems to be Martha Griffers *1806
Thomas was a Tanner
He was buried 09 Sep 1834 age 53 abode The Tan Yard

[FelicityH]

Thanks Vance.  This could certainly be Eliza's father.  I would love to read the article, but it's not among the titles in the British Library Newspaper archive that I have access to.  But the freeREG transcriptions were also helpful in terms of his changes in occupation over the years.

[FelicityH]

Hi Trish.  The one who died in 1840 is the one whose will I have a copy of.  It's interesting, but it's not my family.  Not to worry... onward and upward!  The freeREG transcript for Whitbread and Ann's marriage  shows Lucy Stevens GRIPPER as a witness so I'm going to follow her up....  seems like there's another family connection there somewhere.

[Vance Mead]

There are a couple PCC wills at TNA (possibly just one person, with two wills registered?)

William Gripper, Brewer of Hertford, Hertfordshire, 6 April 1809
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D353064

William Gripper, Malster of Hertford, Hertfordshire, 14 August 1810
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D212092

William Gripper in Hatfield was also a malster/maltster. Could he be the son of the second of the above? Hatfield and Hertford are not far apart, about 6 or 7 miles.

[trish1120]

A Lucy Stephens Gripper was bapt 19 Jul. 1829 Tring to WILLIAM/ANN

Cant find her 1841/1851 Census but married 1853 to William Henry Oliver and died in 1868 Buckinghamshire

[Vance Mead]

It looks like William Gripper, maltster of Hertford, could be the father of William Gripper of Hatfield. From the will of William Gripper, Maltster of Hertford, Hertfordshire, 14 August 1810
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D212092
Wife Elizabeth
Son William
Daughter Caroline
Executor Thomas Gripper (and others)

The marriage of William and Elizabeth:
William Gripper and Elizabeth Sams married at Hertford All Saints 29 Apr 1790
Groom of St Andrews Hertford
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5a22a28bf493fd62866ea94b/elizabeth-sams-william-gripper-marriage-hertfordshire-hertford-1790-04-29?locale=en

And their son:
William Gripper, 29 Mar 1791, son of William Gripper and Elizabeth Gripper
Hertford, Nonconformist
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F7KC-GH4?lang=en

[FelicityH]

Hi Trish - I found those too :  doesn't look like there was a link to my folk.  But Vance - those links are great.    I had that 1791 birth - nonconformist - as a Quaker - which seemed a bit odd in the family as all other BDM's were Anglican.  But it certainly seems there was a William in each generation (just as there was a George in eevery one of the Coleman's).  My Eliza also had a brother William and a sister Caroline....
Oh and I found George Coleman  in the 1841 Census....  he was in Dalston (Middlesex)  https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/search/collections/8978/records/7681172   Registration district - St George in the East - His mother Sarah, brother Whitbread (mis-spelt in the transcript) and sister Ann were in the household.  Unfortunately his occupation is illegible.  His father was apparently elsewhere on census night.