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Re: 1886 William Russell Hood (are there two) & Helen Sisterson
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 06 April 25 19:56 BST (UK) »
Not found a full name return so far, but I'll try another search, with William Hood.

One in my direct line, who stayed in Australia for quite some years, returned and that just gave initials, surname Hood and his Australia Wife initials helped, with his age. The address they were coming to helped, because we were able to trace a family member having that house for a few years beforehand, in Electoral Records.

My initial post had part of an image (from Family Search), dated Port of Boston July 1888, saying Wm Russell Hood, 28, Painter, British, going to Philadelphia. The far right column was ditto, suggesting he was going to apply to stay in the US, but if he did, then any outcome or refusal is unknown.

Reply #6.
Interesting that the 1935 death of William Russell Hood, at Barnsley, 75, [born about 1860], said this chap was a Painter, Journeyman.

Obviously, Painter could be a coincidence and neither the one marrying 1886 South Shields, or son of James & Sarah Hood (1881 Census) were painters at that point.

1901 Scarborough Census with
Adeline Featherstone (nee Hood), William R Hood, House Painter, but has his Birthplace Sunderland, confused with their Brother.
ADDED: In my first Post.

Difficulty, finding our Wm R. Hood in E & W Census 1891?

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Re: 1886 William Russell Hood (are there two) & Helen Sisterson
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 06 April 25 19:58 BST (UK) »



Not sure if you have this, you probably have it as the source of James Hood as the father of William Russell Hood

1861 Selby. All born Selby.

Mary Wilkinson60Head
James Hood34Son-in-law
Sarah Hood30Daughter
Mary E Hood8GranddaughteElizabeth C Hood6Granddaughter
Adeline Hood5Granddaughter
Sarah Hood4Granddaughter
John Hood3Grandson
William R Hood3/12Grandson
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Re: 1886 William Russell Hood (are there two) & Helen Sisterson
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 06 April 25 20:16 BST (UK) »



Not sure if you have this, you probably have it as the source of James Hood as the father of William Russell Hood

1861 Selby. All born Selby.

Mary Wilkinson60Head
James Hood34Son-in-law
Sarah Hood30Daughter
Mary E Hood8GranddaughteElizabeth C Hood6Granddaughter
Adeline Hood5Granddaughter
Sarah Hood4Granddaughter
John Hood3Grandson
William R Hood3/12Grandson

Yes, thank you.

John Wilkinson, Stone Agent, married Mary Arundel of Selby, (Sarah's Arundel's, Mum, was Mary, Sarah was an illegitimate Wesleyan Baptism at Selby on Anc).

The 1861 Census is one of the Records and I think the 1851 Census too, for Sarah Arundel / Wilkinson (where Sarah is shown as John & Mary Wilkinson's, Daughter), that Rootschatters helped me, to suggest that John Wilkinson was likely Sarah Arundel's, Father.

This is likely why one of James & Sarah Hood's, Sons, was called John Wilkinson Hood (see the Father, John Wilkinson Hood and Mother M.S. Hopper) in the Birth attachment at Reply #15)

When Sarah Arundel married James Hood in 1851, she said her Father was John Arundel, Stone Agent.

Using John and his occupation, but twisting his surname, at her Marriage.

But the 1851 & 1861 Census, strongly suggest who Sarah Arundel's Father was.

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Re: 1886 William Russell Hood (are there two) & Helen Sisterson
« Reply #21 on: Monday 07 April 25 10:13 BST (UK) »
28th December 1886, St Mary, South Shields, County of Durham, after Banns.

William Russell Hood, 27, Bachelor &
Helen Sisterson, 23, Spinster
Present as wits: Robson Sisterson ; Elizabeth Henderson.

1) I was expecting to see the Father as James Hood, [born Selby, Yorkshire] so is there another William Russell Hood, about, please?

You have a copy of this, is it a GRO one. Is this why you think there's a mistake with the name.
I have tried to find an original record online with no luck.
You may have to contact Durham Records Office for help with the original.

https://durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/search-options/search-church-registers/church-search-results/church-registers-item/?SearchType=Param&Variations=N&Parish=Jarrow%20Docks%20St.%20Mary&OrderBy=NAME&ItemID=597707






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Re: 1886 William Russell Hood (are there two) & Helen Sisterson
« Reply #22 on: Friday 11 April 25 18:57 BST (UK) »
Thank you

Here is the relevant part of the 1886 St Mary South Shields, Church Marriage Register of William Russell Hood and Helen Sisterson, showing their Fathers' and it was not recorded as James Hood, Tallow Chandler, around that period.

Either, I have:-

a) Two, William Russell Hood, around the same age and both in N.E. England and around the same time period, or

b) William Russell Hood, born Selby, telling a lie about his Father's forename.

One motive for this might be his Father was a Quaker and Quakers wouldn't allow Members to marry in church.

c) An error, which was copied to the Registrar and GRO (Marriage in first post).
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Regarding those coming or returning to the UK from the US, there are several by just the name of W. Hood and William Hood (little detail no nationality), who fit an approximate age, before our 1901 Census.

Added:- I have found a William Russell Hood, dying at sea in 1960, but he would need to be about 100 yrs old (if there are two of the same name born about 1860 and he was the other).

We already have a William Russell Hood, a Painter, death in 1935 at Barnsley, Yorkshire that fits a c.1860 Birth, age, at Reply # 6.

Added: also a younger, William Russell Hood, at Hunslet, Leeds, involved in the Vitriol chemical spill, (Replies 9, 10, 11 & 12, quoted at Reply #16).

At Scarborough in 1901, Adeline Featherstone, Wife [of Head and nee Hood] 45 born Selby, Yorks, says William R Hood, B in Law [of Head] was M [Married] 39, House Painter, [he was her Brother, but not the one born Sunderland]. No Wife of William Russell Hood in that Census Household.

Unless some new records appear, or I find another signature to compare with the Groom's, I get the feeling the identity of William Russell Hood cannot be confirmed, nor resolved and if (H)Ellen Hood claiming to be a Widow who remarried to Charlton Robson 1904, remarried Bigamously or not, (Reply #7 and quoted at Reply #8, with her 1907 death entry).

Added: Interesting, that the first witness appeared to sign his surname only, then added Robson above with a marker beneath.
[Robson Sisterson]

Mark

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Re: 1886 William Russell Hood (are there two) & Helen Sisterson
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 13 April 25 16:18 BST (UK) »
I would think it is most likely a mistake in the marriage register. It has been known to happen, even when the groom or bride would have known their father's name for sure.
Perhaps they asked William his father's name and thought he said "same" instead of James? :-\
Though that does sound a bt ridiculous.

What was James' occupation, or did he have several? We have what looks like Master Currier on William's birth certificate, Tallow Chandler in 1881, and Carrier on William's marriage certificate. Or, again, was currier misheard as carrier?

The other possibilty is that William deliberately lied (but why?), or that there were two different William Russell Hoods born around the same time - but there doesn't seem to be any evidence for that.

If there weren't two of them, did Ellen commit bigamy? It would appear so, but if her husband had deserted her, and had not been heard from for years, then probably she was not at too much risk of getting into trouble.

Probably not your man coming back and forth - there are a lot of William Hoods around - but in February 1890 a Wm Hood, 28, Laborer, native country England, arrived in Philadelphia on the British Princess. It says he was he a citizen of America though.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9PB8-98TC

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Re: 1886 William Russell Hood (are there two) & Helen Sisterson
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 15 April 25 12:38 BST (UK) »
Thank you Jon

James Hood of Selby, Yorkshire, was a Currier, who went Bankrupt in 1855, then he became a Tallow Chandler.

In 1880 James Hood, Tallow Chandler, gave his address as Joplings Buildings in the City of Durham, England, in family papers referring to the late Mary Hood and late Ellen Hood, both of Selby, Yorkshire, Spinsters.

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Found a second:- William Russell Hood, Gardener, Religion C. E. [C of E ?], from the Parish of St Margaret, claiming to be born 1868, admitted to St George's Union Workhouse, London, on 10th November 1885.

Whether that was his baptism age, but it does say Born in the column heading.

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Anc have this Workhouse listed as:-
Westminster, Westminster, City of London, England

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Re: 1886 William Russell Hood (are there two) & Helen Sisterson
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 15 April 25 15:31 BST (UK) »
Front Cover:- 
Fullham Road Workhouse, Admission and Discharge Book, From September 21. 1885 to February 4. 1886
Inside page:-
St George's

The Order to have William Russell Hood, claimed to be born 1868, admitted was made on the 9th November 1885.

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He just seems to disappear.
 

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« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 15 April 25 18:42 BST (UK) »
Trying to make sure I have the right St Margaret Parish.

The church of St Margaret's, St Margaret's Street, seems to be the one near Westminster Abbey and Westminster Hall.

The former St George's Workhouse, Fulham Road, location, was approximately 3 miles South-west, from the church.

Work on St George's Workhouse, started 1876 and it opened 1878 ...

New buildings of a very extensive character have for some time been in course of erection at the Workhouse in Fulham-road, Chelsea, jointly for the St. George's (Hanover-square) Union, and the parishes of St. James and St. Margaret, Westminster.

After 1930, the Fulham Road workhouse and hospital came under the control of the London County Council and the site was renamed St Stephen's Hospital.

https://www.workhouses.org.uk/StGeorges/
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"Westminster City Archives"
"Information Sheet 12"
Source online Pdf titled:-
Location of Westminster’s Workhouses and Infirmaries

St George’s Union
The result of the merging of St George, Hanover Square and St Margaret and St John, Westminster, 1870 – 1913.

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St Stephen's Hospital, and St Stephen's Centre, Research Clinic, stand on the site. The Hospital is part of the Chelsea and Westminster Hospital, Fulham Road.

The Hospital is still on the Fulham Road, near Limerston Street, Chelsea.

Mark