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Re: Help with Campbell's from Perthshire Scotland
« Reply #9 on: Friday 09 May 25 17:06 BST (UK) »
This is a difficult family to place, as they are not listed in Donald Whyte's Immigration books.
Hugh's death record in 1895 at Wentworth does not list parents names. The Wentworth certificate may belong to a different Hugh though.
It is unclear if the entire family came over, or if Hugh came over just with his parents.

There is a marriage of a Hugh Campbell and Catherine McGregor in 1845 in Weem/Fortingall, but this belongs to another family. Unclear if Hugh married prior to coming over or in Ontario.
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Re: Help with Campbell's from Perthshire Scotland
« Reply #10 on: Friday 09 May 25 18:23 BST (UK) »
Daughter Elizabeth born 1811 married John Wilkie and resided at Walpole in the 1851 Census together with their children.
Her brother Archibald, born 1815 lived next to them with his wife Sarah Jane Cameron of Ross-shire and their children. He is still there in the 1861 census with the Wilkes near by. In1867 he moves on to Romney, Kent for the 1871/81/91 census. He is listed as being from Perthshire on the Kent land record. He died 12 JUN 1900 in Caldwell, Missaukee, Michigan, USA, where he was living with his youngest daughter's family in the 1900 census.



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Re: Help with Campbell's from Perthshire Scotland
« Reply #11 on: Friday 09 May 25 19:34 BST (UK) »
There is a Duncan born 1813 working as a trader and a Peter born 1819 working as a bailiff in nearby Cayuga in the 1851 Census, both married. Unclear if these are the corresponding children.
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Re: Help with Campbell's from Perthshire Scotland
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 11 May 25 16:31 BST (UK) »
Yes am DNA proven to John Wilkie and Elizabeth Campbell. Have public tree on Ancestry. Duncan and Margaret are her parents all being buried in Chalmbers Cemetary. Have no evidence other than the marriage of 20 May 1795 in Blair Atholl. Trying to find the birth records? Also have not found anything on John Wilkie from Aberdeenshire? Am making a trip to Scotland next week and would be nice to find out where I originated from.Thanks so much for the help! Roberta Wilkie


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Re: Help with Campbell's from Perthshire Scotland
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 11 May 25 19:14 BST (UK) »
The family of Duncan Campbell and Margaret McNaughton.

Throth may have more info on possible siblings at Pitkerril - but the naming pattern is off for the family he has listed on his site, so I do not think they are related.

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Re: Help with Campbell's from Perthshire Scotland
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 11 May 25 19:16 BST (UK) »
Yes am DNA proven to John Wilkie and Elizabeth Campbell. Have public tree on Ancestry. Duncan and Margaret are her parents all being buried in Chalmbers Cemetary. Have no evidence other than the marriage of 20 May 1795 in Blair Atholl. Trying to find the birth records? Also have not found anything on John Wilkie from Aberdeenshire? Am making a trip to Scotland next week and would be nice to find out where I originated from.Thanks so much for the help! Roberta Wilkie
I think you must forget about the 1795 marriage in Blair Atholl, because, as kmaleski has demonstrated, these are not your Duncan Campbell and Margaret MacNaughton.

You need to accept that the record of the marriage of Duncan Campbell and Margaret Macnaughton either has not survived, or it is the one in 1804 between Dun Campbell and Margarate Macnaughten in Kilmonivaig. If the latter, you need to consider why a couple married in Kilmonivaig would turn up a decade later in a croft in Dull, which in early 19th century terms is a long distance away, quite apart from being through difficult country. 

Pitkerril is named on the first edition of the six-inch Ordnance Survey map https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15.8&lat=56.68125&lon=-4.03374&layers=257&b=ESRIWorld&o=100 and shown but not named on the second edition https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15.8&lat=56.68125&lon=-4.03374&layers=6&b=ESRIWorld&o=100

In 1881 there were two houses there. One was empty and the tenant of the other was Duncan Robertson, grazier and farmer. He was also there in 1871 and 1861.

The screenshot shows the detailed map with the ruins of Pitkerril (ringed in grey) in the forest, but the satellite view https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17.6&lat=56.68322&lon=-4.02999&layers=6&b=ESRIWorld&o=0 shows that the forest has been felled. It may be possible to walk down from the road to the ruins - there is what looks like a forestry track - but I cannot recommend it as I have not walked it myself and I do not know whether or not it is rough or worse.

I think the ruins are probably on the flat ground in the middle distance in this photograph https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1430995 but if they're not there, they're not far from it.

As for John Wilkie, I don't think there is enough information to pinpoint where he came from.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Help with Campbell's from Perthshire Scotland
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 11 May 25 19:28 BST (UK) »
You need to accept that the record of the marriage of Duncan Campbell and Margaret Macnaughton either has not survived, or it is the one in 1804 between Dun Campbell and Margarate Macnaughten in Kilmonivaig. If the latter, you need to consider why a couple married in Kilmonivaig would turn up a decade later in a croft in Dull, which in early 19th century terms is a long distance away, quite apart from being through difficult country. 

There were a number of families that moved from or married in Kilmonivaig and worked in Rannoch and Foss. So it isn't impossible the record corresponds, but yes the distance makes it less likely. Foss also saw a number of Kenmore/Killin families move up for work at this time as well.

DNA may also prove the line. I will message you Roberta with regards.
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