looking for information on Sophey [Sophie] gilbert bron 1899.

[Essnell]

Hi Rootschatters,

I have a problem and need help.  I am trying to trace a DNA match that I have . Now this is a sort of surprise connection that appears to lead to the person quoted . Sophey or Sophie Gilbert.  I have already got this person in my tree.
Her father   is    Robert Frederick Gilbert born Clogheen Ireland1865
Her mother is Mary Lyons. 
Siblings are : Sarah  1894   Limerick
                     Harriet  1895   Limerick
                     Wilfred   1896   Limerick
                     Sophey  1899  Co. Tipperary
                     Georgena  1902  Co. Tipperary
                     Emily     1905  co. Tipperary
 I have her on the 1901 Census with parents and siblings age 3 yrs. 
          Townland: Kilclonagh
          District: Rahelty
          County Tipperary
1911 Census  age 12. and in Laois [Queen's] County

The DNA indicates that she married Edward Kingston : found that record 
date 1925 County Cork Vol. 5 pg 41     
BUT I cannot find her birth record anywhere.

I cannot find her on the civil records search either   From1895 through to 1905. 
 I have come on this area as this is basically an Irish record I am looking for.

Thanks in advance for any ideas .
Essnell.

[Kiltaglassan]

Can only find these births-

Georgine Jane 13 October 1901 at 10:00pm
Her twin Thomas George then at 10:15pm
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1901/01932/1747713.pdf

He died 5 January 1903 aged 15 months.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05670/4597058.pdf

Doesn't appear that the other Gilbert children were registered.

[Kiltaglassan]

The DNA indicates that she married Edward Kingston : found that record 
date 1925 County Cork Vol. 5 pg 41     

20 January 1925 at Garrycloyne Parish Church.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1925/09143/5306751.pdf

She was living at Turret House, Blarney. Note that one of the witnesses was G Gilbert (possibly Georgina).

[Kiltaglassan]

She was living at Turret House, Blarney.

Turret Farm House - Townland Ballygrohan, Civil Parish Currykippane, PLU Cork
https://landedestates.ie/property/3793
https://arcg.is/1yDSuz2
https://www.townlands.ie/cork/cork/currykippane/st-marys/ballygrohan/

[aghadowey]

Marriage of Robert Frederick Gilbert & Mary Lyons on 14 June 1893-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1893/10600/5861850.pdf

Unnamed son born 11 July 1893 to Frederick Gilbert & Mary (Lyons)-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1893/02287/1858684.pdf

Unnamed daughter born 1894- possibly Sarah?
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1894/02233/1841842.pdf

[aghadowey]

Wilfred Gilbert born 1896-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1896/02177/1824598.pdf

[Kiltaglassan]

Wilfred Gilbert born 1896-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1896/02177/1824598.pdf

His marriage to Mary O'Sullivan - 3 June 1936
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1936/08923/5227180.pdf

[Essnell]

HI  both responders,


Thank you both very much that is all very helpful.
I don't quite know what happened with this family. Robert Frederick was a Land Steward and I think that meant he was possibly moving about quite a lot.  he is also sometimes a Game Keeper.   

I think that they way the names I have were spelt as for family use at times.   some off Census records. 
the info on turret house is great and also the maps etc. I have quite a number of these for the Grandparents.

They were in the Shanbally Townland.    i will now try to see if there can be anything more gleaned from looking up Edward kingston.  and their children that will help in making a connection. 

thanks again Essnell.   Now for supper.     


Aaddit:  kiltaglassan  that's a great bit of info.. especially where he was residing at the time Turret House.  Same as for Sophie . may be that is where the family were living.      Thank you.    Essnell

[Kiltaglassan]

Possible death record for Wilfred Gilbert of Blarney. 28 September 1972.   #275
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1972/04098/4036481.pdf