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Re: Does anybody know why?
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 28 September 05 00:27 BST (UK) »

War Office,
6th November, 1918.

The following are among the Decorations and Medals awarded by the Allied Powers at various dates to the British Forces for distinguished services rendered during the course of the campaign: —

His Majesty the King has given unrestricted permission in all cases to wear the Decorations and Medals in question.

Decorations and Medals conferred by
THE PRESIDENT OF THE FRENCH REPUBLIC.

Croix de Guerre.

9551 Serjeant Edgar Harry Battle, late South Lancashire Regiment (Walthamstow, E.)


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13112 SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 6 NOVEMBER, 1918.
Captain (temporary Major) Arthur Join Clif-
ton, Durham Light Infantry and Machine
Gun Corps.
Lieutenant-Colonel (temporary Brigadier-
General) George Arthur Dale, C.M.G.,
Punjabis, Indian Army.
Senior Assistant Surgeon and Honorary Lieu-
tenant Edwin Victor Duckworth, Indian
Subordinate Medical Department.
Captain Frank Leonard Engledow, Royal West
Kent Regiment.
Jemadar Faiz Talab-, I.O.M., Sikhs (Firointier
Force), Indian Army.
Major Charles Ernest White Spinner Fawcett,
M.B., Royal Army Medical Corps.
Major Robert Francis Finlay, D.S.O., Rifles,
Indian Army.
Subadar Hukim Dad, I.O.M., Sikhs (Frontier
Force), Indian Army.
Major Charles Richard Henry Palmer Landon,
Indian Cavalry.
Major (temporary Lieutenant-Colonel) Charles
Henry Brownlow Lees, C.M.G., iSikhs,
Indian Army.
Captain (temporary Major) Byron Leicester,
retired pay, late Cheshire Regiment, at-
tached Supply and Transport Corps, Indian
Army.
Subadar-Major. Mohibulla Khan, Sardar
Bahudar, I.O.M., Southern Waziristan
Militia, Indian Army.
Ressaidar Muhammad Amin, I.O.M., Indian
Cavalry.
Subadar Nishan Ali, Bahadur, Burma Military
Police, Indian Army.
Jemadar Pat Khan, I.O.M., Northern Waziri-
stan Militia, Indian Army.
Major Guy Hamilton Russell, Infantry (South
Waziristan Militia), Indian Army.
Brevet Colonel Alexander Leigh Tarver,
D.S.O., A.D.C., Baluchistan Infantry,
Indian Army.
Resaldar Zaman Khan, I.O.M., Indian
Cavalry.

9551 Serjeant Edgar Harry Battle, late
South Lancashire Regiment (Walthamstow,
E.).

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Re: Does anybody know why?
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 28 September 05 00:32 BST (UK) »


2nd part !  This is what Steve posted for me on the Forum I'm posting it all here just in case anybody else can use it !! - Most of the others on the adjacent pages seem to be Indian based...



25349 Serjeant Edward Chamberlain, Royal
Horse Artillery (Wimbledon).
262 1st Grade Dafada Darim, I.O.M., Nor-
thern Waziristan Militia, Indian Army.
2664 Sowar D'han Singh, I.O.M., Indian
CavaLry.
2516 Havildar Gopalsing Thapa, I.O.M.,
Gurkha Rifles, Indian Army.
1822 Sepoy Gulam Hussain, I.O.M., Pioneers,
Indian Army.
1053 Private (Shoeing-Smith) Charles Hull,
V.C., Lancers (Harrogate).
1120 .Sowar Ibrahim, I.O.M., Imperial Service
Lancers, Indian Army.
€06 Sepoy Inayat Ali Shah, I.O.M., Balu-
chistan Infantry, Indian Army.
2590 Sowar Kala Singh, I.O.M., Burma Mili-
tary Police, Indian Army.
4744 Havildar Kishan Singh, I.O.M., Corps of
Guides (Frontier Force), Indian Army.
2796 Sepoy Kurban, I.O.M., Pioneers, Indian
Army.
Xi/8151 Serjeant-Major Harry Ambrose
Lewry, Royal Sussex Regiment (Hurstpier-
point, Sussex).
866015 Serjeant Charles McArthur, Royal
Field Artillery (Govan, Glasgow).
2966 Lance-Naik Mahdu Dalvi, I.O.M.,
Iiifantry, Indian Army.
766 Rifleman Mandhoj Thapa, I.O.M., Gurkha
Rifles, Indian Army.
Kot Dafadar Muhammad Fazil, I.O..M., Mule
Corps, Indian Army.
4256 Sowar Sarwar Ali, I.O.M., Kurram
Militia, Indian Army.
101202 Staff Quartermaster-Serjeant William
Alfred Simpson, Cavalry Machine Gun
Corps, formerly Lancers (Ayr, Scotland).
Medaille Hilitcvire.
573 Sepoy Abdul Kairirn, I.O.M., Baluchistan
Infantry, Indian Army.
961 Trumpeter Abdul Majid Khan, Indian.
Cavalry.
2437 Havildar Ali, Bahadur, I.O.M., Sikhs
(Frontier Force), Indian Army.
1533 Naik Ali Nazar, Pioneers, Indian Army.
63222 Gunner AEred Walter Allen, Royal
Horse Artillery (Leicester).
435 2nd Class Sub-Assistant Surgeon, Arjun-
lal Gagabhai Jotania, Indian Subordinate
Medical Department.
265798 Private John Barford, M.M., Royal
Sussex Regiment (Bolton).
3543 Naik Bhadur Shah, I.O.M., Sikhs
(Frontier Force), Indian Army.
Sub-Conductor James Thomas Chambers, In-
dian Ordnance Department.
1614 Havildar Channan Singh, Rifles (Frontier
Force), Indian Army.
740285 Private Stanley Philip Chapman,
London Regiment (Hornsey, N.).
1883 Bugle Major D'hansing Gurung, Gurkha
Rifles, Indian Army.
471 Naik Iman Ali, Mountain Battery, Indian
Army.
1912 Havildar Jagat Sher Gurung, Gurkha
Rifles, Indian Army.
5312 Sepoy Jagtu, Corps of Guides (Frontier
Force), Indian Army.
3390 Sepoy Jhandu Singh, Rajputs, Indian
Army.
2639 Havildar Kehan Singh, I.O.M., Malay
States Guides.
4290 Havildar Kharak Singh Pun, Gurkha
Rifles, Indian Army.
3036 Pensioned Dafadar Muhammed Khan,
formerly of Indian Cavalry.
251 Dafadar Nabi Bakhsh, Mekran Levy
Corps, Indian Army.
Conductor (now Assistant Commissary and
Honorary Lieutenant) Albert Edward Nash,
Supply and Transport Corps, Indian Army.
1121 Sepoy Puran Singh, Sikhs, Indian Army.
664 Corporal (now temporary 2nd Lieutenant)
Neville James Rodd, Royal Field Artillery
{Shanklin, I. of W.).
4508 Sepoy Sao Tu, Burma Military Police,
Indian Army.
2207 Havildar Shah Nawaz Khan, I.O.M.,
Infantry, Indian Army.
372 Havildar Sher Ahmed, Punjabis, Indian
Army.
2081 Lance-Naik Sher Muhammed, I.O.M.,
Punjabis, Indian Army.
1455 Bugler Sikhan Singh, Punjabis, Indian
Army.
3843 Sowar Sundar Singh, Cavalry (Frontier
F'oroe), Indian Army.
2284 Lance-Naik Zar Khan, Northern
Waziristan Militia, Indian Army.


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Re: Does anybody know why?
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 28 September 05 01:24 BST (UK) »


I found this too!! I wish I could find something about him though!!

http://www.king-emperor.com/officers-indian.htm

Is this them? under ....

SUBADAR CHATRA RAM, I.D.S.M.

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Re: Does anybody know why?
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 28 September 05 13:10 BST (UK) »
wasnt it something to do with protecting the oil fields,especially those at baku,mack
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« Reply #22 on: Thursday 29 September 05 00:54 BST (UK) »


http://www.firstworldwar.com/battles/mf.htm

I have found this great site for WW1 - this is a list of Battles fought in Mesopotamia ! now I have to figure out in which one !!  - he got his medals probably 2 months before he was Gazetted - is that right?


Battles - The Mesopotamian Front

This section contains details of the major actions fought on the Mesopotamian Front - present-day Iraq - during the First World War.

These include the many epic struggles fought along the banks of the River Tigris; from the seemingly unstoppable advance of the British throughout 1915 to the resurgence of their Turk opposition in 1916 culminating in the British humiliation at Kut-al-Amara in April 1916.

British fortunes revived however with the appointment of Sir Frederick Stanley Maude as regional Commander-in-Chief, as success after success finally led to complete British victory in the region in October 1918.


 Capture of Basra, Opened 5 November 1914
 Battle of Qurna, Opened 3 December 1914
 Battle of Shaiba, Opened 11 April 1915
 Capture of Amara, Opened 31 May 1915
 Battle of Nasiriyeh, Opened 27 June 1915
 Capture of Kut-al-Amara, Opened 28 September 1915
 Battle of Es Sinn, Opened 28 September 1915
 Battle of Ctesiphon, Opened 2 November 1915
 Siege of Kut-al-Amara, Opened 7 December 1915
 Battle of Sheikh Sa'ad, Opened 6 January 1916
 Battle of the Wadi, Opened 13 January 1916
 Battle of Hanna, Opened 21 January 1916
 Battle of Dujaila, Opened 8 March 1916
 First Battle of Kut, Opened 5 April 1916
 Battle of Khanaqin, Opened June 1916
 Second Battle of Kut, Opened 13 December 1916
 Battle of Khadairi Bend, Opened 9 January 1917
 Battle of Nahr-al-Kalek, Opened 26 February 1917
 Capture of Baghdad, Opened 11 March 1917
 Samarrah Offensive, Opened 13 March 1917
 Seizure of Falluja, Opened 19 March 1917
 Battle of Jebel Hamlin, Opened 25 March 1917
 Battle of Shiala, Opened 11 April 1917
 Battle of Istabulat, Opened 21 April 1917
 Battle of the Boot, Opened 30 April 1917
 Battle of Ramadi, Opened 28 September 1917
 Capture of Tikrit, Opened 5 November 1917
 Battle of Sharqat, Opened 29 October 1918
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« Reply #23 on: Thursday 29 September 05 01:26 BST (UK) »

Causes ...!

Britain's interest in Mesopotamia ran much deeper than just opening another front to harrass the Central Powers. They already had a significant economic toe-hold in Basra and Baghdad to the point that in 1911 the Viceroy of India recommended outright annexation by the India Office. Russia had always been perceived as a threat in the region (hence the Crimean war), but then unified Germany became a threat as well, especially with their planned Berlin-Baghdad railroad. The British managed to get two subjects appointed to the railroad board, and they were deeply involved in developing Basra port. The Ottoman sultan actually recognised British police authority in the Shatt al-Arab and Persian Gulf.

Despite horrific initial setbacks, British imperial forces prevailed in the Mesopotamian theatre. Although the war-time Sykes-Picot agreement had awarded the Mosul villayet to the French, they were not there and at war's end the British rushed in to gain as much advantage as possible before the impending armistice. Because they already had such a major economic investment, British policy in Iraq was very different from western Arabia where they had overtly encouraged and aided the Arab Revolt. To do so in Iraq would have destabilised the India Office as well as further fragmented the mosaic of races in Iraq that neither the Ottomans nor the British had been able to bring together. Arab nationalism was to be controlled, not encouraged, although the "Sharifian" faction in London (e.g. T.E. Lawrence and Gertrude Bell "the uncrowned queen of Iraq") was trying to follow through on rewarding all Arabs for their war effort with full independence.

     In January 1919, the British set up a military administration under Sir Arnold Wilson, and in April 1920 the League of Nations confirmed the British Mandate over the region. Wilson's arrogant rule, however, helped set the stage for Great Arab Revolt in 1920.

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« Reply #24 on: Thursday 29 September 05 03:57 BST (UK) »
Very,very,very,good,well done!Now THATis a fine example of teamwork.I'm gobsmacked.
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« Reply #25 on: Thursday 29 September 05 06:40 BST (UK) »
Annie,

Unfortunately you have found the Mesopotamia Campaign, which was fought in what is now Iraq. The Persian Campaign was fought in Iran. The British Government in India were always concerned that Russia might attack India via Persia. Therefore they always took great interest in events there. When the war started German agents stirred up trouble, trying to overthrow the pro-British regime. This was why Sykes created the South Persia Rifles, to help restore order. When the revolution began in Russia they also assisted White Russian forces and kept an eye on the Reds on the frontier. The only source that I have is the Official Campaign History "Operations in Persia". Due to the sensitive nature of the Persian problem, this volume was classified secret when it was written. And as mack rightly pointed out, there were the Anglo-Persian oil fields to protect as well. History is a great circle, if only politicians could read  :(

The South Persia Rifles suffered heavily in 1918 from an outbreak of influenze, this could be what killed Edgar.

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« Reply #26 on: Thursday 29 September 05 06:55 BST (UK) »

My goodness Steve - to think that after all he went through ....
he may have been killed by the "flu" !

Thank you for setting me straight on the campaign -
I kind of got carried away didn't I??
but it's funny as I was reading - it was like deja - vu!!
you and Mack are both right!!

Thanks again for your help

Annie

 
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