Author Topic: Lambeth 1841 1851 census lpk up please  (Read 1319 times)

Offline nellie d

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 346
    • View Profile
Lambeth 1841 1851 census lpk up please
« on: Friday 30 September 05 20:04 BST (UK) »
Looking for
Helen/Ellen Lucy Lockhart
b 1827 Lambeth

Thanks
Nellie
Mayhew,Birch,Coates,Norman - Suffolk
Masters - Somerset
Richardson, Masters, Langridge, Dyer, Chambers - Sussex
Dyer, Luscombe, Hurrell - Devon
Chambers - Brecon
Lambden, Hawkins - Berkshire
Biggs, Cooper, Druce, Hedges, Haywood, Francis,Ward, Skidmore, Pinfold, Dorn, Gardener, Hopgood - Oxfordshire
Francis, Clarke - Lambeth/Surrey
Rowland, Emmett, Lockhart - Southwark/Middlesex
Simpson, Exall, Mann, Frisby,  - Kent
Ward, Teasdale, Smalwood - Yorkshire
Tomkins, Bayliss - Warwickshire

Offline Meliora

  • Deceased † Rest In Peace
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • ********
  • Posts: 3,012
    • View Profile
Re: Lambeth 1841 1851 census lpk up please
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 01 October 05 15:11 BST (UK) »
Hello, Nellie,

1841 census
HO107/737  book 15  folios 9 & 10
Gray Coat St, St John's Westminster

James  age 75   F shoe m.  born in Scotland
Frances  age 55    born in county Yes
Frances  age 30 Dressmaker b in c Yes
Thomas  age 30 shopman  b in c Yes
Elizabeth age 25 Dressmaker  b in c Yes
Mary Ann  age 25  ditto  b in c  Yes
George  age 20  app. confect.  b in c Yes
Helen age 14  b in c Yes
Margaret  age 11 b in c Yes

Nothing found in he 1851 census for Helen/Ellen Lockhart but did find thid>>

Marriage
Helen Lucy Lockhart  =  Samuel  Emmett
JuneĽ1851 Westminster  1  447

1851 census
Ho107/1514  folio 46
26, Liquorpond St., St Andrew, Holborn

Samuel Emmett  head age 31  Engine House Keeper b Budney, Devon
Hellen L.  wife age 24    b  New Cut, Lambeth
Elizabeth  dau age 1 mth  b  St andrew Holborn

Hope this helps

Meliora
RIP 1927-2018

This information is Crown Copyright from National Archives.gov.uk

Offline nellie d

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 346
    • View Profile
Re: Lambeth 1841 1851 census lpk up please
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 02 October 05 22:37 BST (UK) »
Thank you Meliora, I have been trying to get this info for soooo long...

That is my Helen's marriage to Samuel and subsequent 1851 census.
On the 1841 does it have James as head of house and the others as his children or does it say that any of them are daughter in law or grandaughter. Trying to work out if James is Helen's father or grandfather.

Thanks again
Nellie
Mayhew,Birch,Coates,Norman - Suffolk
Masters - Somerset
Richardson, Masters, Langridge, Dyer, Chambers - Sussex
Dyer, Luscombe, Hurrell - Devon
Chambers - Brecon
Lambden, Hawkins - Berkshire
Biggs, Cooper, Druce, Hedges, Haywood, Francis,Ward, Skidmore, Pinfold, Dorn, Gardener, Hopgood - Oxfordshire
Francis, Clarke - Lambeth/Surrey
Rowland, Emmett, Lockhart - Southwark/Middlesex
Simpson, Exall, Mann, Frisby,  - Kent
Ward, Teasdale, Smalwood - Yorkshire
Tomkins, Bayliss - Warwickshire


Offline Meliora

  • Deceased † Rest In Peace
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • ********
  • Posts: 3,012
    • View Profile
Re: Lambeth 1841 1851 census lpk up please
« Reply #3 on: Monday 03 October 05 09:20 BST (UK) »
Hello, Nellie,

The 1841 census does not give any details as to head of house or marital status like the later censues, so my guess is that James if the grandfather & Frances is a widow.

Bear in mind that adult ages are rounded down to the nearest 5 so James could be 76 to 79 & Frances 55 to 59

If you obtained the marriage cert for Helen/Ellen Loclhart to Samuel Emmett this will give you her father's name with perhaps desc'd, tho' that was not always stated.

To help you I have found in the IGI>>

Baptism
Ellen Lucy Lockhart
29th Apr. 1827  St John Evangelist, Lambeth
Father   John   Mother  Frances.

So it lookas as tho' Frances was a widow & James the grandfarher..

Hope this helps

Meliora
RIP 1927-2018

This information is Crown Copyright from National Archives.gov.uk

Offline nellie d

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 346
    • View Profile
Re: Lambeth 1841 1851 census lpk up please
« Reply #4 on: Monday 03 October 05 09:31 BST (UK) »
Thanks Meliora
I wiil need to send off for the marriage cert I think, but thanks for you help.

Nellie
Mayhew,Birch,Coates,Norman - Suffolk
Masters - Somerset
Richardson, Masters, Langridge, Dyer, Chambers - Sussex
Dyer, Luscombe, Hurrell - Devon
Chambers - Brecon
Lambden, Hawkins - Berkshire
Biggs, Cooper, Druce, Hedges, Haywood, Francis,Ward, Skidmore, Pinfold, Dorn, Gardener, Hopgood - Oxfordshire
Francis, Clarke - Lambeth/Surrey
Rowland, Emmett, Lockhart - Southwark/Middlesex
Simpson, Exall, Mann, Frisby,  - Kent
Ward, Teasdale, Smalwood - Yorkshire
Tomkins, Bayliss - Warwickshire

Offline heiserca

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 378
    • View Profile
Re: Lambeth 1841 1851 census lpk up please
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 04 December 11 05:45 GMT (UK) »
Looking for information concerning Ellen / Helen Lockhart, born about 1816, don't know where.

She appeared out of nowhere and married James Clezie, a Scottish immigrant, at Troy, New York, June 1841. 

Just noticed the coincidence of names on this message board.  If the dates and places I've mentioned match anyone's information, I'd appreciate hearing from you.  Thanks!
Clezie (Clazie, Clezy, Clazy, Clazey, Claise, etc.), Lockhart, Heiser, Schwab, Tomon, Zarnowski, Megert, Iseli

Offline nellie d

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 346
    • View Profile
Re: Lambeth 1841 1851 census lpk up please
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 13 February 20 16:10 GMT (UK) »
Hello heiserca. I am afraid that my Helen Lucy Lockhart didn’t go to the US, so it will not be her!
Mayhew,Birch,Coates,Norman - Suffolk
Masters - Somerset
Richardson, Masters, Langridge, Dyer, Chambers - Sussex
Dyer, Luscombe, Hurrell - Devon
Chambers - Brecon
Lambden, Hawkins - Berkshire
Biggs, Cooper, Druce, Hedges, Haywood, Francis,Ward, Skidmore, Pinfold, Dorn, Gardener, Hopgood - Oxfordshire
Francis, Clarke - Lambeth/Surrey
Rowland, Emmett, Lockhart - Southwark/Middlesex
Simpson, Exall, Mann, Frisby,  - Kent
Ward, Teasdale, Smalwood - Yorkshire
Tomkins, Bayliss - Warwickshire

Offline Ladyhawk

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,617
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Lambeth 1841 1851 census lpk up please
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 13 February 20 16:23 GMT (UK) »
I wiil need to send off for the marriage cert I think, but thanks for you help.


Marriage details are on line

27th May 1850 In the District St Mary, Tothill Fields in the Parish of St John the Evangelist Westminster
Helen Lucy Lockhart f/a spinster, 2 Regent Place father John, occ shoemaker
Parish   St Mary, Tothill Fields
Samuel Emmett f/a occ Cool?, 2 Regent Place father Samuel occ Officer in Coast Guard
Witnesses to the marriage were George John & Margaret Lockhart
All signed their names

Ellen Lucy Lockhart
Baptism    29 Apr 1827 St John the Evangelist Lambeth
Father John Lockhart, occ shopkeeper Mother   Frances abode Chalcroft Terrace

Edited to add

Eliza Fanny Lockhart
Baptism   27 Aug 1826 St John the Evangelist Lambeth
FatherJohn Lockhart occ shopkeeper Mother Frances abode Chalcroft Terrace

Margaret Lockhart
Baptism   21 Aug 1831 St John the Evangelist Lambeth
Father John Lockhart occ shoemaker Mother   Frances abode Windmill Street

Possible death of Frances & John

Frances Lockhart died age 66 abode 2 Regent Pl.
Burial 6 May 1849 St Margaret, Westminster

John Lockhart
Registration    Jun 1841 St James Westminster Volume:   1 Page:   80
GRO indexes show age 77 born c1764
From Westminster Burials date 12th April 1841 abode given as Workhouse

possible marriage

John LOCKHART & Frances CALKAIN both of this Parish were married in this Church by Banns on the 12 Aug 1804 at St Anne Soho, Westminster


Offline Ladyhawk

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,617
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Lambeth 1841 1851 census lpk up please
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 13 February 20 16:26 GMT (UK) »
Birth registration for their daughter - GRO indexes give mmn

Elizabeth EMMETT mmn LOCKHART 
1851  J Quarter in OF HOLBORN  Volume 02  Page 140