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William & Mary Copeland N. Ireland to Ontario
« on: Tuesday 18 October 05 23:27 BST (UK) »
I am looking for any records of Wm. (possibly William Alfred) and Mary Copeland, emigrants from N. Ireland to Ontario Canada in the 1850s or early 1860s.

The only record I've found to date is a marriage record for their son William Alfred Copeland age 24 to Julia Stephens on 1 Aug 1864 in Ottawa, Carleton, Ontario. 

I don't know about other siblings or where the Copelands emigrated from in N. Ireland.  William and Julia went to the US in ~1870, but I find no record of other family members in US census records.  I wondered if the rest of the family stayed in Canada. 
LAWRENCE-Hampshire, England; Kansas, USA
HAINES-Wiltshire, England
STEPHENS-Bristol, England;Ontario, Canada; Illinois, USA
COPELAND-County Down, Ireland; Ontario, Canada; Kansas, USA
BOBIK-Slovakia; Pennsylvania & Ohio, USA
PARNAHAY (PARNAHAJ)-Slovakia; Pennsylvania, USA

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Re: William & Mary Copeland N. Ireland to Ontario
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 19 October 05 03:51 BST (UK) »

I guess that would have been in the time of the Potato famine...
Sorry, as none of these coincide...do you have some dates for us????
Did anyone else come over with them?

http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/020108_e.html
COPELAND , WILLIAM 1871..but you haven't given us any birth dates...and may be too old

    Sex:    Male
    Age:    65
    Birthplace:    IRELAND
    Religion:    Presbyterian
    Origin:    IRISH
    District:    DURHAM EAST ( 051 )
    Sub-district:    Manvers ( D )
    Division:    1
    Page:    59
    Microfilm reel:    C-9980
    Reference:    RG31 — Statistics Canada

This WILLIAM  is in carleton, but even older....

    Sex:    Male
    Age:    83
    Birthplace:    IRELAND
    Religion:    Church of Scotland/Kirk/Scotch Presbyterian, et
    Origin:    IRISH
    Occupation:    SHOEMAKER
    District:    CARLETON ( 078 )
    Sub-district:    Richmond Village ( E )
    Page:    19
    Microfilm reel:    C-10,016
    Reference:    RG31 — Statistics Canada


and in the 1881  this one may be too young...?
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp

William COPELAND  W  Male   Irish  60  Ireland   Labourer   C. Presbyterian

Source Information:
     Census Place    Manvers, Durham East, Ontario
    Family History Library Film     1375877
    NA Film Number     C-13241
    District     127
    Sub-district     D
    Division     1
    Page Number     35
    Household Number     156
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Re: William & Mary Copeland N. Ireland to Ontario
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 19 October 05 04:34 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the references.  I had seen the one on familysearch.org and plan on ordering the film, hoping to see if any other family members show nearby.  I have not seen the other two. 

The only date I have to go on is the marriage record which means the son William Alfred Copeland would have been born ~1840.  Very rough guess work would say the father might have been born 1800-1815.  Does the 1871 record you listed show only head of household or does it show other family members?

[tr]"Did anyone else come over with them?"
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I don't know anything about the family except what I found on the marriage record and subsequent references to N. Ireland in later US census records as birthplace of father.  My great-grandmother filled out a family group sheet in 1940 that said William Alfred Copeland (her father) was "born in Ireland of Scotch parents."

I appreciate your time and attention to my elusive roots.   :)
LAWRENCE-Hampshire, England; Kansas, USA
HAINES-Wiltshire, England
STEPHENS-Bristol, England;Ontario, Canada; Illinois, USA
COPELAND-County Down, Ireland; Ontario, Canada; Kansas, USA
BOBIK-Slovakia; Pennsylvania & Ohio, USA
PARNAHAY (PARNAHAJ)-Slovakia; Pennsylvania, USA

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Re: William & Mary Copeland N. Ireland to Ontario
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 19 October 05 04:53 BST (UK) »
Yes, sorry, head only...J.J.
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Re: William & Mary Copeland N. Ireland to Ontario
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 19 October 05 14:06 BST (UK) »
Hello again...Just to show you a submission to the I.G.I. it is totally, wrong, naturally....and yours came later...but check it out for a laugh! ( How'd they DO that?)
   
William Copeland    
Birth:      About 1849   Ireland     
Marriage:     About 1836     Of   Ontario
      
   
Wife:  Mary         
Birth:  About 1818  Ireland
Marriage: About 1836 Of Ontario
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Re: William & Mary Copeland N. Ireland to Ontario
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 19 October 05 15:05 BST (UK) »
Hi lbj,

This site has many Ottawa Directories - some even as early as the 1860s.  http://www.collectionscanada.ca/canadiandirectories/index-e.html
William Copeland is a fairly common name, but you might get lucky... 

The Directories aren't listed in any particular order, so you will have to hunt through the drop-down list to check for all relevant ones to search. 

Martha
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Eagle (Yorkshire), Prior (Berkshire), Buckland (Nottinghamshire),
Short (Devon), Sinclair (Caithness, Scotland), Patterson (Co. Tyrone, Ireland)

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Re: William & Mary Copeland N. Ireland to Ontario
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 19 October 05 19:41 BST (UK) »
ooohhhhhh.... that's a great site, Martha....!!!!
Maybe if you have time sometime add it to the "research in Canada" page.
up in the sticky topics. I never knew this site existed! Thanks from me, also ! J.J.

Just looked through some things and this is an AWESOME site.
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Re: William & Mary Copeland N. Ireland to Ontario
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 19 October 05 20:47 BST (UK) »
Hi, LBJ!!!

Now, I see, your Julie was perhaps (looking at birth date and place of first born) a widow & mother of 5 in 1880: LDS Family Search site. Not to mention that both she and your William were listed as born England. ( see right of listings Eng...Eng...) They had travelled about a fair bit!!!!!

            Source Information:
          Census Place    Liberty, Dickinson, Kansas
        Family History Library Film   1254379
        NA Film Number   T9-0379
        Page Number   453C   

 Julia COPELAND  Self     W  Female W      34   ENG   Farmer    ENG     
 William COPELAND   Son   S  Male   W      15      CAN      Working Farm     ENG  ENG
 James COPELAND    Son  S   Male      W      11      IL            ENG      ENG
 Edwin COPELAND   Son      S  Male  W      9      KS            ENG      ENG
 Harriet COPELAND   Dau  S  Female  W      7      KS            ENG      ENG
 Alice COPELAND   Dau      S  Female W      4      KS            ENG      ENG

If your Mary of English descent there is a widow in N.Y. born 1807
boarding with a multitude of other widows....
If she was positively Irish there is a widow in Iowa born 1820 Ire

Or in 1881 this could be your William as a widower, also, born 1821:
 William COPELAND  W   Male  Irish   60   Ireland   Labourer  C. Presbyterian

Source Information:
     Census Place    Manvers, Durham East, Ontario
    Family History Library Film     1375877
    NA Film Number     C-13241
    District     127
    Sub-district     D
    Division     1
    Page Number     35
    Household Number     156

I would look at the LDS site, anyway to rule out the absolute nots from the 1871...as the others are all  listed with wives....

Well.....Hope this helps...( more than hinders!!!)  Ha ha! At least you have something to chew on, now!
Good luck with the rest of your searches....J.J.
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