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Re: What happened to the first Enoch Payne post 1843?
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 24 April 19 21:59 BST (UK) »
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/N13560373

Letters. Worth looking at for possible mention?

Added ...looks like a few other things at Leicester and Rutland Archives

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Re: What happened to the first Enoch Payne post 1843?
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 24 April 19 22:33 BST (UK) »
Could be worth a visit to the Leicestershire Records Office.

Thank you again Mckha489.
The main names that I am researching into at the moment are Cadman,(originating from Bulkington, Warwickshire), Smedley, (Leicestershire and Derbyshire), Paynes (Leicestershire, Yorkshire and Derbyshire) and Udall - you will also find several other names on my web page. I look forward to E-Mails from anyone who would like to share or talk about our family history.

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Re: What happened to the first Enoch Payne post 1843?
« Reply #11 on: Monday 03 June 19 05:58 BST (UK) »
Dear Andy,

   I'm a researcher at Loughborough University. Your ancestor Enoch Payne has actually come up unexpectedly as the result of some historical work I'm preparing for my PhD thesis.  The archival materials I'm working on at the moment allow me to give you some detail of an astonishing chapter in his life (although sadly it's the final chapter, as they do reveal the circumstances of his death, albeit under extraordinary circumstances).

   Your Great-great-great-grandfather Enoch Payne was not only a Chartist, he also became a follower of John Adolphus Etzler, a socialist inventor who wanted to create utopian communities where mechanical automata would replace human workers, so everyone in the community could lead a life of relaxation and plenty without having to do any work. Etzler wrote a book called The Paradise Within the Reach of All Men, Without Labour, by Powers of Nature and Machinery (first published 1833), which became popular among many British Chartists, Owenists and other radicals during the 1840s.  It's almost certain that your ancestor read it, since its ideas profoundly influenced the course of his life.  The book describes the technical workings of Etzler's machines, but it's also a political text that describes the goal of creating a workless society, in which all toil and poverty have been made obsolete.

   In 1844 Etzler started an organisation in which Enoch Payne (Sr.) became an active member.  He wasn't the only Etzlerist from Leicester, there was a whole branch there; at its height there were thousands of members across the whole of England.  The group was called the Tropical Emigration Society, so-named because the first workless settlement was to be built in Venezuela, since Etzler and his colleagues thought they could get cheap government land there. Also, Etzler's machines were meant to be powered by steam heated by the rays of the Sun, so a tropical climate was considered a requirement for the plan to be successful.  It's partly from the newsletters and reports of the Tropical Emigration Society that I'm able to provide details of your ancestor and his incredible journey. Here's what happened to him:

   Over the course of the mid '40s, the TES built an experimental model of one of Etzler's automatic farming machines, and began to raise funds (and volunteers) for the expedition to build the first workless human city in the Tropics. Your ancestor, Enoch Payne, was one of the volunteers.  On 13 March, 1846, Payne and 193 other Etzlerists set sail from Southampton, on a ship called the Condor, hoping to become the first citizens of this robotic utopian commune. Two smaller advance parties (including Etzler himself) had already gone over to try and prepare the chosen site (a remote jungled swamp in Paria, Venezuela).

   Payne travelled with a 14 year old daughter and a ~5 year old son. The son was almost certainly Enoch junior, i.e., your great-great-grandfather; presumably the daughter was Mary.  Enoch Sr.'s wife definitely didn't go with them, perhaps she already passed away before they set sail.  Enoch and his children went with two other Leicester Etzlerists though, Charles Cox and David Stevens (a Frame-Maker and a Warper).  Payne would have known these men well, they probably spent at least a couple of years building their branch up and preaching Etzlerism and mechanical work-abolitionism to the people of Leicester together!  During the voyage, Cox became "dangerously unwell", but recovered.

   The Condor arrived safely in April 1846, but there was bad news waiting for the utopian colonists on board.  The expeditions of the advance parties had been a disaster: 15 pioneers had already died from tropical diseases, malnutrition, exhaustion and other causes, and the survivors had abandoned the planned site and retreated to Port of Spain, Trinidad.  As a result, the site was completely unready and there was no way 193 people could live there.  None of the machines had been built either, except the model they had brought with them from England.  Some of the advance party in Trinidad were trying to build an experimental floating island to live on (part of Etzler's original plan) but it was also unfinished.  Etzler himself had fallen out with the other directors and was away in Guiana, and there was also a split brewing in the rank-and-file: a defector faction on board Condor wanted to quit the organisation and emigrate to the USA instead.

   At this point, Enoch Payne was a loyalist to the TES: he refused to give up on the dream, so when the defectors took control of the Condor and sailed to America after 2 weeks of infighting among TES members, Enoch and about 125 others stayed in Trinidad to do their best to create the utopian community they had planned. Instead of going back to the deadly swamp, they rented a smaller plot of land in Trinidad itself, so they could rely on local amenities in Port of Spain first of all and slowly build their resources back up.

   Your ancestor spent the final months of his life with his friends in Trinidad, trying to improve the land there. They planted crops, and tried to become self-sufficient. The remaining colonists eventually wanted to find a fresh site in Venezuela itself for the fully-automated habitat;

[cont'd...]

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Re: What happened to the first Enoch Payne post 1843?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 03 June 19 06:01 BST (UK) »
[...cont'd]

the Trinidad site was only a temporary base of operations. In June 1846, Payne was struck by an attack of dysentry, and although weakened, he made a partial recovery.  He survived long enough to see the TES purchase its second site in the Venezuelan interior (in August 1846), which must have made him very glad given his commitment to this project. However, in September 1846, he became ill once again, and this time did not recover.

In a letter dated 7 September 1846, the TES Secretary Thomas Powell (writing from Trinidad), said:

"[...] We have to announce the death of Enock [sic] Payne, one of our members from Leicester, who departed this life on Thursday, September 3rd, at half-past ten o'clock, A.M., and was buried on the following day on the estate.  All of us who could leave our occupation were present. He has left a daughter of fourteen and a son of five years old, who have been brought on the estate to reside, and are now kept at the expense of the Society. The daughter will easily gain her own living, but the son we must take care of for some time.  Their friends in Leicester have been written to, and we shall attend to whatever instructions they may send respecting them—in the interim we shall act as parents towards these orphan children. [...]"

Beneath this obituary (part of a much longer report of TES affairs in Trinidad), there is a note which reads:

"Payne had been ill of dysentry for some time, and imprudently removed off the estate to a cottage situated low and damp before he was quite recovered.  He soon had fever and ague which gradually increased.  Besides, his food was usually too gross for this climate.  Animal food he often ate, particularly when he could get it cheap."

[NB: by "animal food", Powell just means meat. Many Etzlerists were vegetarians, and there was a pseudoscientific belief circulating at the time that meat was especially unhealthy in tropical climates. TES health advisories like this were quite common, so although the wording sounds harsh, Powell may just be trying to guess what factors caused Payne to be ill so others wouldn't suffer the same fate]

Payne's children appear a few more times, starting with a TES report of 4 October, 1846. At this point, Payne's daughter Mary was being encouraged, out of necessity, to find work in Trinidad (a sad irony for the daughter of a work-abolitionist! Most of the TES in Trinidad ended up having to take on conventional employment in this way, so she wasn't alone). The extract reads:

"The death of Enoch Payne has thrown his two children upon our care.  Since his decease they have resided on the estate under our superintendance [sic].  For the girl, being old enough (14) to maintain herself, we have given instructions to obtain a situation—the boy (5) we intend to place with one of the families residing on the estate."

The National Reformer, a radical paper friendly to the Etzlerists, carried the following information about the Paynes in its 13 March, 1847 issue:

"Payne, Enock [sic]...Resided here at first, took a piece of land rather damp, fell ill, partly recovered, and then became ill again, worked for the society occasionally, his illness increased and he died, his children were removed to the estate, both well, the daughter is now in service, and the son sent to one of the members to maintain at the expense of the society."

A report for 7 Feb 1847 lists, under the expenditures of the society, $7.50 US spent "For Paynes Boy". So the Society continued to look after him, although his older sister had begun working in Trinidad in order to earn pocket money and pay her own way. Other such entries like "Maintenance of E Payne", "Payne's Maintenance", &c., appear repeatedly in Tropical Emigration Society accounts during this period.

Finally, a TES Directors' Report of 4 April, 1847 reads:

"A letter has been received from the grandfather of Enock [sic] Payne's children, by a merchant of this town [i.e. Port of Spain], requiring that they should be sent to England. Of course this request has been complied with.  They are expected to sail on the 6th inst., in the Fanny, for Liverpool."

No further information specific to the Paynes seems to appear in the archival sources I'm using after that date.

So there you have it: Enoch Payne died in Trindad in 1846 as part of a utopian work-abolitionist experiment, and was buried in Erthig, Port Spain, where he and his community were living while getting ready to build their new home.  His son and daughter survived, and lived there for 6 more months. Mary Payne worked in Trinidad during this time, and Enoch junior was a ward of the Tropical Emigration Society. They returned to Leicester, probably via Liverpool, in around April 1847.

I've spent the last few years gathering information about the Etzlerists, and my research aims to significantly correct existing histories of the whole affair, so I'd be interested to know of any additional material you have about Payne and his descendants, especially if it concerns their involvement with Chartism, Etzlerism or other radical political movements.

Likewise, if you have any questions about your ancestor's time in Trinidad, or his participation in Etzler's work-abolition movement, I'd be happy to answer them to the best of my ability.

Sincerely,

James McIntyre
PhD Researcher
Department of Politics and International Studies
Loughborough University


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Re: What happened to the first Enoch Payne post 1843?
« Reply #13 on: Monday 03 June 19 06:55 BST (UK) »
Well! I wish someone was doing a PhD about something involving my ancestors.
This has been fascinating to read James, thank you for posting it. We do all learn from reading other’s successes and  I am sure Andy will think this is definitely a success!

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Re: What happened to the first Enoch Payne post 1843?
« Reply #14 on: Monday 03 June 19 10:18 BST (UK) »
Hi James,
What an amazing story and completely unexpected and so well written. Thank you so much.  You have got me through a brick wall that I have been trying to get through for the past twenty years now!   I have been trying to find out what happened to young Enoch (born 1843), his father and his mother.  How did he end up with his uncle John Payne in Loughborough in the 1851 Census? After that I have lots of information.
I have a web page on the Paynes, (a little out of date) that you may be interested in:
http://www.andycadman.force9.co.uk/paynes.htm
More up to date is my tribalpages page:
https://andycadman.tribalpages.com/
 You will find out much more information here.
As you will see the son Enoch born 1843 had quite a chequered life.  Sadly, he ended up drowning in a canal in Sheffield.
Once thank you so much, really appreciated. If you would like any of the documents/photographs detailed in my notes just let me know and I would be happy to let you have copies.
I am sure that I will be back in touch again as soon as I have had chance to digest so much fascinating information.
Best wishes,
Andy
The main names that I am researching into at the moment are Cadman,(originating from Bulkington, Warwickshire), Smedley, (Leicestershire and Derbyshire), Paynes (Leicestershire, Yorkshire and Derbyshire) and Udall - you will also find several other names on my web page. I look forward to E-Mails from anyone who would like to share or talk about our family history.

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Re: What happened to the first Enoch Payne post 1843?
« Reply #15 on: Monday 03 June 19 16:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Andy,

   Thanks for sharing these resources.  Enoch Jr.'s adult life does sound interesting, I may well be back in touch again myself soon in order to trade more information about him!

As you can probably tell, I am not a regular user of this site—having signed up principally to contact you about your ancestor—so in case you'd like to contact me more directly or with a better chance of a timely response, please feel free to get in touch through my publicly-listed contact info (e-mail preferred), to be found at:
https://www.lboro.ac.uk/departments/phir/staff/james-mcintyre/

You or indeed any relatives of yours who have further questions (or information) about the Trinidad expedition, the Paynes, Etzlerism, or related topics are likewise more than welcome to drop me an e-mail about it at any time!  However, I'll still endeavour to check back in at this page semi-regularly, especially if I discover anything else that I think may be of particular interest to you.

Best wishes,

James


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❝My revelation is not merely for the present generation, but chiefly for posterity, which will be better and better educated by the new means [...] progress continues perpetually in nature, the beings of the present time living for other beings of futurity.❞
—J. A. Etzler, 1844