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Prostitute?
« on: Tuesday 28 February 06 16:51 GMT (UK) »
Hi, could someone tell me what a person would put down as an occupation, on a census return, if they were a prostitute - obviously aprt from the obvious "prostitute"

I beleive that 'dressmaker' was a common one - just wondering if there were any others that crop up?  Also, how can you tell that they really weren't your average dress maker?

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Re: Prostitute?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 28 February 06 17:51 GMT (UK) »
Hi, could someone tell me what a person would put down as an occupation, on a census return, if they were a prostitute - obviously aprt from the obvious "prostitute"
I beleive that 'dressmaker' was a common one - just wondering if there were any others that crop up?  Also, how can you tell that they really weren't your average dress maker?
Many thanks
Fiona

Hi Fiona,

Erm...how about "Dressmaker's Model"?

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Re: Prostitute?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 28 February 06 18:00 GMT (UK) »
"Sempstress" crops up.

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Re: Prostitute?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 28 February 06 18:06 GMT (UK) »
You also have to be very careful ... there were a lot of genuine Dressmakers, Dressmakers models, seamstresses etc.

some clues may be gleaned from the occupancy of a building , the nature of the general area ... eg would there be much call for several "Dressmakers" in the vicinity of the docks.

You really have to delve into the social history of the area and while you may suspect unless you find a criminal record or official declaration you will never be 100% certain.


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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 28 February 06 19:04 GMT (UK) »
As Robert says don't take every dressmaker as a lady of the night.

Or you'll be taking some of mine!!!  ;D

In the big cities I've seen entries being a bit more forthcoming and less euphemistic.  I think there was a thread somewhere started by Paul E - I'll just have a look.

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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 28 February 06 19:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi Pam

A quick search under "occupation" on Ancestry 1881 shows 425 prostitutes for the whole of England. It seems many of these were in institutions - workhouses, prisons etc - i.e. where the women may not have had control over what was being entered on the form. It's not something women would want to admit to.

Apart from the full time ones, of course, many engaged in occasional prostitution to supplement income.

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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 28 February 06 19:52 GMT (UK) »
While Pam is looking about ...

There were some (recognised as rather flawed) pieces of research done on prostitution in the Victorian era.  The intended point of the research was generally to identify and prevent to spread of sexually transmitted diseases  - I have them around somewhere in a drawer and can dig them out if anyone is interested.

As was mentioned, dock areas, and military establishments were major concentrations of prostitution and brothels in the 19th century, but in London (which I know best, historically speaking of course!) there are certain areas that were infamous and well-known and catered for different classes (and of both sexes)

In the research, there were various areas pinpointed in such places like Portsea and the London dock areas and some streets were mentioned that were known and seemingly tolerated by the authorities.  The research named streets as well as establishements - looking at the censuses from around the time of the research it is 'somewhat' obvious in some cases -  named public houses often had younger and not so younger single women 'lodging' with the noted occupations such as needlewoman, bar helper and the like.  None that I saw gave the occupation as prostitute.  Other establishments which were named which I found on the census often had several family units, some seemingly husband wife and children whilst sharing was a group of women of varying ages and occupations such as, again, needlewoman, nurse etc. 

All in all it was a lot of guesswork and not as obvious as you might think.

Apart from those areas of concentration, prostitution was apparently fairly common especially for single women with no other avenue of income.  I suppose many of these women would not be obviously prostitutes on the census.

Having said that, it's a difficult subject and one should not jump to conclusions about needlewomen and the like ...

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Re: Prostitute?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 01 March 06 07:36 GMT (UK) »
Thanks everyone - the information and tips are very much appreciated.

Many thanks again

Fiona
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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 01 March 06 07:58 GMT (UK) »
Yeh...

Couldn't find it.  I'm sure we found scrubbers and the like listed.  Heyho.  Thanks Charles and Biker  ;D

The famous page I remember is "Albert Square" in London which was obviously a place of reknown.  As most of the woman were listed as "prostitute".

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Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
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