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Are You Sitting Comfortably Part 2
« on: Monday 15 October 07 15:26 BST (UK) »
Well I was hoping that the two threads "Are You Sitting Comfortably" and "Robert William Stead" would be stickied so they could be kept up at the top of the page ... and I'm sure they will be !   :)

You all know the reason for the new thread ....... and I'm sorry if people are upset .... I thought locking it would give us a chance to catch up with the information we have and getting it into some semblence of order - we're going to be in the same boat .... but I realise that people want to be able to contribute !.... hence this new thread !!

Shaun J would be more than happy to give access rights to the website for those who are interested - as it would only make sense if we carry on updating it for new information

Annie  :)

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we are trying to avoid too many stickies, but I'll sticky this post,
and add links to the other two  :)


Topic: Are you sitting comfortably ? then I'll begin !!
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,206958.0.html
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Topic: Robert William STEAD (1896 West Derby -1926 Gateacre)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,261805.0.html
which is a summary of the 44 pages here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,206958.0.html
Cooper : Muels : Howarth : Every : Price : King

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Re: Are You Sitting Comfortably Part 2
« Reply #1 on: Monday 15 October 07 16:29 BST (UK) »
As Annie says there is now a Stead family data website which we are keeping passworded but I will  give access rights to any Rootschatters who are interested.

If you'd like to have access just PM me and I'll reply with the URL and password.

Bear in mind that the data on the site needs a bit of updating (which Reiver is helping me with) and that will be done over the next few days.
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Re: Are You Sitting Comfortably Part 2
« Reply #2 on: Monday 15 October 07 17:13 BST (UK) »
Annie
Is it possible to list/bring together what you think the line(s) is/are we ought to take now?  Rootschatters could then volunteer their investigative skills / photographic skills / etc in different areas.

Obviously it would be nice to have photographs of members of the family but what about addresses?   My photographic skills are somewhat linited but I coulld for example,  direct someone - they may know already - to the Bucklow places already mentioned (Altrincham / Sale/Stretford). 

I am trying to build on what has already been done on Robert's fathers family - Robert's uncles , aunts  and cousins.   Is that OK?   Maybe someone else is already working on that side?
Obviously I'll report progress on here.   Shaun may then be able to take it from here, and feed back any questions or input that he has.

I hope this makes sense.    I'm sure you and others will let me know if not.

Reiver

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Re: Are You Sitting Comfortably Part 2
« Reply #3 on: Monday 15 October 07 21:17 BST (UK) »


Hi Reiver !

Thank you for all the time and effort you're putting into this .... it's wonderful !  :)

I'm wondering if it's best to just let people post what they find - the way we were - and hopefully we can keep track of what's being found - to put onto the website !

Dawn send me this about Bootle .... so there's another we can cross off the list !!  :)

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Hi Annie

I just had an email from Thornton re Bottle cemetery.

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I have gone through the records for Bootle Cemetery (from January 1926
through to Dec 1926) There is no trace of a Robert William Stead being
buried in the Cemetery at that time.

He's not there either 

Dawn

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Re: Are You Sitting Comfortably Part 2
« Reply #4 on: Monday 15 October 07 22:39 BST (UK) »
Hi Annie and eveyone :) :) :)

Robert's father was William Harley Stead, born in Leicester in 1857.   Much of this was started by Mary some time back.   So I hope there are one or two new bits here.

William Harley's eldest sister Harriett was born in 1828/29.  That is, she was 28 (twenty eight years  older than William  ??? ??? ???   In 1861 in Leicester William is 4 yrs old, no mother is present, but his father also William is aged 60    Earlier censuses throw up a mother Eliza and FreeBMD throws up the death of an Eliza Stead in 1858 - the year after William was born.  In the earlier censuses father William was only a couple of years  older than his wife Eliza.  So son William was born in 1857 and his parents were 56 and 54  ??? ??? ???

I'm trying to prove me wrong  :) :) :) :)  Can anyone else?

Mary had found that Harriett, William's eldest sister, had married a Richard Butterworth in 1851.  They had several children, one at least married.  All would be first cousind of Robert.

I'll keep going.
Reiver

PS If anyone does fancy checking on the above note that Stead or Steads seem almostt interchangeable  :) :)

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Re: Are You Sitting Comfortably Part 2
« Reply #5 on: Monday 15 October 07 23:46 BST (UK) »

There is now a Summary here .....

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,261805.0.html

I'll try and catch up with the days results in the evenings .........

check there often for the next exciting installment !!  ;D ;D
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Re: Are You Sitting Comfortably Part 2
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 16 October 07 10:52 BST (UK) »
Reiver,

There certainly seems to be something odd about William Harley Stead's birth. The apparent mother would seem too old, and in the GRO births for Leicester 2Q 1857 there are these 2 entries:

Harley, William Harley Leicester 7a 191
Stead, William H          Leicester 7a 191

William's sisters at the time of his birth would have been about 29, 19, and 14.
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Re: Are You Sitting Comfortably Part 2
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 16 October 07 11:23 BST (UK) »
Have just updated the data site to include links to these threads, updated data on Frank Winnard Hurst and Elizabeth Neil Grant (thanks Reiver) , a short intro and Michel's photo of the tag. 

Anyone  interested who doesn't yet have access to the site please send me a PM for access details.
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Re: Are You Sitting Comfortably Part 2
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 16 October 07 11:44 BST (UK) »
Thanks Shaun
Re William Harley Stead (Robert's father)
In 1861 he wsa 4 years  old.  His father (William) was 60 and his mother (Eliza) would have been 58.  It would seem that William Harley could NOT have been their son.  The sequence on the 1861 census in Leicester was William (father) 60; Fanny Maria (23); William Harley (4) and Angela (18).   It seems probable - at this stage :) - that William Harley was the illegitimate son of Fanny (purely based on census sequence).

It may be worth getting the Birth Cerificate in due course to prove it.

So no brothers and sisters of William Harley Stead from whom to come forward.  BUT Fanny Maria and Angela, although they did remain single, did have older siblings.  There is some dara about this that MaryA established that is now on the Data Site that ShaunJ has created and which you can access if you PM him for the password.

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Reiver