Was William Biernacki Phillips still at sea in 1901?

[mel.merri]

[Edited to remove error]

Hi --

After many a wayward wind, I've finally launched
Wm B. Phillips' brilliant career ... as a naval cadet !!!

His brother ALBERT is not yet found ... .

1881 CENSUS

RG11/ 1341206 folio 0868 / 134 -- Vessel   "Worcester"
Swanscombe, Kent, England
Willm. Biernacki PHILLIPS  U 17 Allahabad (Brit Subj) Cadet    
Then in 1891, William is ashore with maternal relatives.
But where is Albert? ...

1891 CENSUS - London, Battersea

RG12/438, Folio 84, Page 3 - 16 Nightingale Lane
Household with William Biernacki Phillips - b. abt 1864 India

Anna De Biernacka, wf, b. in Breslau Silesia circa 1837, and
Pauline PM De Morte sstr, wid b Dresden Saxony c1844 ind.

Edward Mitchell, h, 63, Clerk Holy Orders, b. Lincs Bostn

William B Phillips, nephew, unm, 27, Mercantile Marine 1st
Officer Seas, b. India, Allahabad, Brit. subject
9 servants

The number of servants suggests something significant
is happening here, but I lack / need the details.

[The servants'  names may be significant, if available.
I wish to trace the mother of Wm. -- so associated
names which moved from one part of the family to
another would be of help, eg. if she died or went
abroad.]
--

To go back to Wm B. in 1871, was he then residing
with his father, or uncle, Henry Philips, or with
relatives of mother, Josephine [Biernacka] Phillips?

Also, where is his younger brother, Albert?

I'm stuck trying to place 2 sons of Wm. [c. 1820-1]
Chipping Norton, Oxon. -- with choice of father here:

1871 CENSUS
Phillips   William 50 Hanover Square, St John Westminster   
Phillips   William 51 Hanover Square, Belgrave   
Phillips   William  5    Hanover Square, Belgrave   

This may be Wm. [of 1820-1]'s bro.   
Phillips   Henry  47    Holborn, Old Street   

If Albert is with other relatives he could be anywhere.
I will check each CENSUS for details ...   

In Mar. 1900, Wm B. wed his Ellen C.
at Hampstead - 1a 961

William Biernacki Phillips
Ellen Cuisford Beaton

Now I wish to determine where he and
Ellen settled down to wedded bliss.

1901 CENSUS   
William B Philips
Spouse:    Ellen C
Birth:    abt 1864 - India
1901 - city, Berkshire, England
   
Thanks for any info you can locate.
Mel

[AMBLY]

Hi Mel

1901: Common - Hamlet of Burghfield, Bradfield, Berkshire
Head: WIlliam B PHILIPS 37, Retired Lieutenant Royal Navy, b India
Wife: Ellen C PHILIPS 33, b Paddington London
Son: PHILIPS 1 month, b Burghfield (no forename on census)
Sister-In-Law: Emily JESSOPP 32. marr, b Paddington London
Servant: Evelyn P BUTLER 19, unm, General domestic,  b Hungerford. Wilts
RG13/ Piece: 1142 /  Folio: 75 /  Pg 28

And if I read you right, you are looking for:
*   The names and details of the 9 Servants in the 1891 houshold of William's Aunt Anna?
*   William in 1871
*   Albert his brother in 1871 and after 1881
*   His parents in any Census etc - father: William, mother Josephine (any idea on birth names & places?)

Cheers
AMBLY

Edited to change name of brother to Albert (was Alfred, in error)

[Valda]

'"Shaftesbury" Training Ship, Off Grays, Essex.
a.k.a
SCHOOL BOARD FOR LONDON INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL SHIP "SHAFTESBURY"
Certified  31st July 1878 by the London School Board, the second set up by this Board, for 350 boys of who 70 might be Roman Catholics.  In the year 1881 the certificate was amended as to admit the reception of 500 boys of whom 100 might be Roman Catholics, but in November 1898 a letter received from the Home Office suggesting that the maximum number should not exceed 425 up to June 1899 and 400 after that date.  Cessation of Certificate or closure 15th April 1905.'

This sort of training ship was for working class boys in difficult circumstances - a reformatory ship.

Regards

Valda

[Valda]

What information does William's marriage certificate give about his father?

Marriages Mar 1900   
Beaton  Ellen Cuisford    Hampstead  1a 961   
Phillips  William Biernacki     Hampstead  1a 961

Regards

Valda

[mel.merri]

Thanks for the input on Wm. B.

Wm. my gt-g'father was born at Kingham, Oxon, about
1820-1 [on 1881 CENSUS], and my gt-g'mother was
from Beaumaris Wales.

Investigations have led me on the long trail to find
the information re gran's father and her brothers.

Sorry about the Alfred training blooper, as I have just
discovered it is ALBERT [not Alfred] who is the 2nd
son ... I will search for him ... so it is just Wm. B
and his family we are now discussing .

Not being based in England, but having mostly lived
in Australia and Canada, I have no in-depth knowledge
of the British training systems.
Mel
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[ShaunJ]

Some bits from the Gazette re William in case you don't have them.

1 Feb 1894 Sub-Lieutenant RNR

25 Feb 1898 promoted Lieutenant

30 Oct 1917 retired RNR Commander William Biernacki Phillips is executor of the Will of Edward Mitchell who died 4 Feb 1917

[mel.merri]

Ah, thanks Shaun for the Gazette details.

I should mention that I was referring to Wm.'s 2nd wife,
as from Beaumaris.

His 1st wife is Josephine Biernacka and their wedding
was June 1862 at St Geo Hanover.

Yes, I wish to find the details you referred to. Ambly.
*   The names and details of the 9 Servants in the 1891
     houshold of William's Aunt Anna?
*   William in 1871

However, I made an error on 2nd son's name. It is ALBERT,
not Alfred, so I am looking for:

*   Albert, his brother in 1871 -- 1881 ... etc.
*   The parents in any Census etc - father: William, 1820-1,
      Kingham, near Chipping Norton, Oxon.; mother
      Josephine [Biernacka] (birth place unknown)

Is there any further info, eg. DOD of Wm. B., or Counties,
and places linked to the descendant of Wm. Biernacki?

What resources are available after the 1901 Census?
eg. Details of the Will of Edward Mitchell?

Does anyone have access to Postal Directories, or
Walford's County Families, etc.?

Or whatever else is useful?

Mel
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[ShaunJ]

Hi Mel,

You should be able to order the Will of Edward Mitchell. It was proved in the Principal Probate Registry on the 9th October 1917.
 http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/courtfinder/forms/pa1s_0405.pdf

William Biernacki Phillips' address in 1917 was Holmdene, Burghfield Common, Mortimer, Berkshire.

[Valda]

So just to reinterate this is the William Phillips born Kingham you are interested in?

1881 census RG12 5572 folio 95
 2 Tros Yr Afon Beaumaris Anglesey
William Phillips 61 Head Married Lodging House Keeper Kingham Oxfordshire
Margaret Phillips 36 Wife Married Beaumaris Anglesey
Grace M.Z. Phillips 10 Daughter Ohio America
plus 1 servant

1870 census
Madison Lake Ohio
William Phillips 49 Farmer England
Margaret A Phillips 25 Keeps House Wales

When did William marry Margaret? What was Margaret's maiden name? Her mother and her younger sister Ann's (born Scotland) surname was Mitchell but was that a second marriage for Margaret's mother also called Margaret?

Regards

Valda