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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #117 on: Tuesday 23 February 10 15:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Gordon,

Yes, I knew John well. We had been at school together at Liverpool College.

May I suggest that you try the Shipwreck & Humane Society for a copy of the citation for his Award? Certainly I never heard John speak of it, and my own information was derived from Tebay's List. I do, though, have a recollection (from memory, which might be completely wrong) that it was granted to him when he was an apprentice for his prompt action in rescuing a life which would otherwise have been lost through drowning.

John was a good friend and a credit to us all.

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« Reply #118 on: Wednesday 24 February 10 00:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi Barrie

Thank you for the suggestion re John BROWN's award - will follow this up. (John's elder brother Peter is believed to be still alive, domiciled in Derbyshire, but not in very good health nowadays so I can't really approach him for the information).

Should you be at all interested, my nom-de-plume originates in the vessel depicted in this 1856 painting by the celebrated Italian maritime artist Michele Renault :-

http://www.artnet.com/Artists/LotDetailPage.aspx?lot_id=001237BA208FCA73

My great-grandfather William EVANS (b1830 New Brighton) joined this American-built, American-owned ship as first mate in New York that same year (1856), tramping the world on her for almost seven years until she entered Liverpool (for the first and only time) on 8th December 1862. She was shortly afterwards arrested by the Admiralty Marshall and sold following a petition by the crew for non-payment of wages (during American Civil War days, of course).

Would be intriguing to know whether any of William EVANS' many Liverpool Pilot relatives were allotted the task of guiding the GLENBURN down the Bar Racon in December 1862?

PS. My paternal grandfather Edward Glenburn EVANS (who sadly I never met) is reputed to have been born on board this vessel sometime in 1861, somewhere between Cadiz (Spain) and Montevideo (Uruguay).

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Gordon

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« Reply #119 on: Wednesday 24 February 10 09:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Gordon,

Many thanks for you interesting further information.

You'll forgive me for pointing out that the task of guiding anything down the Bar Racon in 1862 would have been extremely difficult (and time-consuming!) for anybody, as the first Racon (Radar Responder Beacon) was established at the Bar only in the early 1970s (about 1972, from memory) when the Bar Lightship "Planet" was withdrawn.

As to the first Liverpool Lightship, JS Rees tells us (p 78)  that a Lightship marked "NW" was established on 1st December 1813 at the north-west spit of East Hoyle Bank, "one mile from the North-West buoy".

He also tells us (p 157) that on 2nd September 1873 the North-West Lightvessel was moved NWxW3/4W from her former position "and the first Bar Lightvessel was established in the approach to the principal northern channel."

Thus it seems that in 1862 there was not even a Bar Lightship - and certainly no Racon (if you might forgive my train-spotting!).

As to whoever might have piloted the Glenburn at Liverpool in 1862, your best chance of discovery would probably be a trawl through the Pilot-Boat log-books for that year. If they have survived, they should be at the Maritime Museum. I'm not certain, though, that those log-books will have survived.

Hope this helps,

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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #120 on: Wednesday 24 February 10 11:42 GMT (UK) »
Hi again, Barrie

My suggestion that there would have been a Bar Racon in 1862 was of course very much tongue-in-cheek. In retrospect, perhaps I should have punctuated it with a 'smiley'.   :-)

As regards identifying the pilot who took the GLENBURN into Liverpool in December 1862 two of my brothers and I have spent many hours, days, weeks even, poring over all available pilot service documentation in the MMM archives without success, so there would seem a possibility that the Pilot-Boat log-books you mention haven't in fact survived.
Will have one more try next time I'm there, when the weather has warmed up a little.

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« Reply #121 on: Wednesday 24 February 10 16:12 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Gordon,

Tee-hee! - And many thanks for reminding me of information relating to the history of  the Bar Lightship etc.   If I ever knew it I had certainly forgotten it; and can only confirm that Rees's book is a goldmine of relevant information.

Hope your search is fruitful, but there will be (at a guess) far more Pilot-boat log-books which have been destroyed (if only for want of storage space) than have survived.

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« Reply #122 on: Thursday 25 February 10 14:53 GMT (UK) »
I don't know if anyone is interested or not,but I thought i would mention.That on my topic on the Cheshire board Merchant seamen M.I  Family Graves there are a few for Liverpool Pilots.
hence                                                                                     

In Loving Memory Of

Alfred Beloved Son Of William & Ann Davies
Apprentice of Liverpool Pilotage Service
Who Lost his life Through the mining of
H.M.X "Alfred H. Read" At the Bar 28th Dec 1917 aged 21
Years.                                                                 

Unfortunately you will have to trawl the pages because it was one of the first things i did I few years ago.So they are not in any order ;D

Celia

Celia 1941-2010
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Rake Lane Burials

M.I.Merchant Marina's Rake Lane

FLORENCE JONES MARRIED JOHN GIBBON HIGNETT IN 1885

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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #123 on: Friday 26 February 10 21:32 GMT (UK) »
INSPIRATION OF YOUTH


"Give her the works, Sidney!" barked the Master, down the blower,
" The Pilot wants full speed and not one revolution slower!"
Our ship, a liner-steamship in UK/Australia trade
Was powerful and graceful. All was of the highest grade.
A four month trip: A dozen ports: Antipodes and back:
We were an ocean greyhound, keeping schedule, keeping track.
Wool: fridge-cargo, meat and butter: passengers First Class.
No stain was seen upon her decks, nor tarnish on her brass.

The Master was a martinet: a formalist : a terror.
No slack was tolerated. Not the slightest human error.
The Officers would stand aside through more than courtesy.
Through iron will he ruled us all, as Neptune rules the Sea.
And I, an humble Midshipman, an awkward, gangling youth,
Was terrified of every bark. That is the simple truth.
Four months I listened to this man. I heeded every warning.
He frightened me at dead of night, at noon and in the morning.
The only civil words I heard, throughout the voyage made,
Were spoken to the passengers: But they, of course, had paid.

Nearly home: Gibraltar passed and entered in the log:
Double-watches soon, for meeting European fog.
The Master on the bridge, chain smoking, peering through the murk:
Radar in its early days. Quoth he, "Does that thing work?"
Other ships approaching were detected through the ears.
The martinet relied upon experience of years.
And who was at the radar, no more trusted than the set?
'Twas I, the first-trip novice hand. So much could go wrong yet.

St George's Channel: Bardsey: What a foul and fearful night.
Off Holyhead at last the look-out saw the Pilot-light.
All was ready, ladder rigged, the speed reduced and dropped:
The Master, barking, paced the bridge. The smoking never stopped.
The Pilot came on board. The Master shook him by the hand.
"Dear boy! How good to see you! You have all arrangements planned?
Middy! Take the Pilot's coat and hang it up for drying!
Middy! Make some tea! Can you do that, for want of trying?"

The tension since Gibraltar showed that it had greatly eased.
The Pilot had the con: the Master very clearly pleased.
"How are things, now Mister Pilot? Tell me what you need?
For docking-time at Liverpool, how do you rate our speed?"
(Now, Sidney was the Engineer, the Chief of all his Ilk.
Relations with the bridge were formal. Not quite smooth as silk.)
The Pilot spoke. The Master strode unto the telephone.
"Keep her going, Sidney, if you stoke her on your own!
Give her the works, now, Sidney! The Pilot wants full speed!"
The martinet a messenger. My heart began to bleed!

"Give her the works, Sidney!" barked the Master down the blower.
"The Pilot wants full speed and not a revolution slower!"
The moment thus confirmed a thought which I had long possessed:-
To be a Pilot's son I was most fortunate and blessed.
For I had seen a martinet most pleased to recognise
The worth of any Pilot now, before my very eyes,
At highest standards operating in the Merchant Fleet.
A Pilot stands in independence. On his own two feet.
And I would be a Pilot, if I might be good enough,
To satisfy the martinet. If I could learn my stuff.

"Give her the works, Sidney!", how such simple words could mark
The confirmation of a youth, that foggy evening dark.
"Give her the works, Sidney!" Were there ever words so sweet?
Or explanation given for a function more complete?
The martinet earned his reward for sailing far and wide.
The Pilot? He did likewise. Why? Let other men decide:
I'd like to ask the martinet. Perhaps one day I can,
In the knowledge that he proved he was a fellow sailorman.
"Give her the works, Sidney!" How those magic words inspired -
As I became a Pilot, too, - long after they retired.
The moral being, I suppose - to mark the end of it,
That nothing is more proper than to see the biter bit!

   
  The words "If you stoke her on your own" are poetic licence. Otherwise the above verse is a true and verbatim account of the occasion in January 1960 when the Blue Funnel liner ss Jason embarked Pilot OG Small off Holyhead. The ship was homeward-bound from Australia, carrying (amongst her passengers) the Australian Olympic show-jumping team together with their twelve horses accommodated in loose-boxes built on the after well-deck, all bound for the Olympic Games at Rome that year.

The Master was Captain John Gould, a Welsh-speaking Anglesey man. Amongst the crew of 72 were about a dozen more Welsh-speakers (mostly also Anglesey men), thus upholding Blue Funnel's unofficial claim to comprise "The Welsh Navy". The Chief Engineer was Sidney Smith of Greasby, Wirral.

It was the practice of the Blue Funnel line to embark the Liverpool Pilot by special arrangement off Holyhead, as opposed to the usual practice of taking the Pilot  from the Pilot-Cutter cruising off Point Lynas.

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Re: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990
« Reply #124 on: Saturday 27 February 10 20:14 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Glenburn and Iria for the information re: John Corrin ( from begining of Feb), it always feels good to get so much more information. Alot of the information from burials at Toxteth park are also relevant to my family, but I didn't understand all the numbers with them. Are thay the plot details and are the graves still likely to be there? Bit of a novice at this so really appreciate the help!
Janet

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« Reply #125 on: Saturday 27 February 10 23:18 GMT (UK) »
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In slavery (perhaps, but say it lightly,)
Two hundred years ago was fortune made:

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Some decades later, what is there but lyric?

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Though England might be now a when-or-why land,
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27.02.10