Rumney Burial

[Fue]

Hi
Would anyone have access to burial records for the Rumney area?

My GGrandfather William Charles Williams died 17 Nov1894 in Rumney and with the lack of other info, I thought if I could find a headstone, it might throw some light (here's hoping )

Fue

[CaroleW]

He was 74 when he died so b 1820 or so.  Do you have a copy of his marriage cert showing his fathers name?

Do you have him on any census between 1841-1891 which shows his birthplace

[Fue]

Hi Carole

Oh how I wish

A Marriage cannot be found between him and his wife Norah Hearn but I do have copies of his childrens certs. The only census that he is definately on is the 1881 Welsh Census (found only by looking for his supposed wife) I am beginning to believe they might not have actually been married. On this census, his birth age is given as 1831, so given the difference with his death cert, I imagine his birth date was anywhere inbetween. 

He really is elusive and because of his common name and surname I cannot definately pin him to another census.   Hence it occurred to me that if there was a headstone, there just might be that extra bit of info so desperately needed 

[Fue]

Sorry Carole, I did not read all of your reply (must be late)

His birthplace was Worcester - surprisingly, I do hope this was not an error by the inumerator.

[CaroleW]

Hi

If you have the right 1881 entry then here is a bit of info which may (or may not) help

There is a stepson called John Ford aged 12 in 1881 b Devon Torrington - same as Norah who is aged 40 so b 1841 or so

That means that Norah would have married William as Ford - not Hearn

I checked back to the 1871 and Norah also appears to have a problem with her birthyear as she is shown as aged 23 and married to John Ford with  son John aged 1 

Freebmd has this marriage

Marriages Sep 1867   

Ford  John     Torrington  5b 837   
HEARN  Nora     Torrington  5b 837   
 
3month old daughter Norah in 1891

Norah Ford Williams March qtr 1881 Cardiff  Volume: 11a 
Page: 252

Possible death for Nora snr

Nora Williams aged 64 sept qtr 1905 Cardiff  Volume: 11a
Page: 181

[CaroleW]

The 1861 for Great Torrington shows her b 1849 - parents William & Elizabeth

Norah Hearn March qtr 1849  Torrington  Volume: 10  Page: 324

[CaroleW]

1891 John Ford in lodgings in Rumney

The 1881 address was Greenway Track and in 1891 3 of the children are living at Greenway - Rumney

Harry Williams 17 b Cardiff - market gardener (same as his father)
Frances 13 sister b Rumney
George 7 brother b Rumney
RG12; Piece: 4403; Folio 133; Page 6

[Fue]

Many thanks for that Carole, my, you work quick  and there is some new info for me  so very much appreciated

Yes it appears that Norah came with her husband from Devon to South Wales, her husband died in a railway accident in 1872 and then Norah is with William on the 1881 census. No marriage, lots of children (including stepson), then William  disappears again  .   (after he dies, Norah does re-marry again to a Tuggwell I think)

If William was born  1820-31 in Worcester then between this time and 1873  (the birth of first child with Norah) he also made his way to South Wales.  I can find absolutely nothing on him for this period

William's death cert says  - 17 Nov 1894  William Charles Williams , Gardener of Rumney  at age 74  as you rightly say, so I am as sure as I can be that it is him. So maybe his headstone, if there is one, may give a hint or a clue that I so desperately need?