Smith

[ellie_downunder]

I am so going to kiss you  Thank you so much,
I was just able to confirm it was them by the info on the
Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985

Surname: BACHE
Given Names: Alice
Father: Smith Reuben
Mother: Elizth  UNKNOWN
Death Place: MELB E
Age: 61
Age Code:
Year: 1927
Reg Number: 15169
Event: D

This confirms Alice being born in 1866, I should of re checked it before I posted but I did not remember her mothers name being on the cert I got

So its looking to be one busted Myth lol, Oh boy has my Nan told some whoppers guess it was a good way for her to get a little more attention telling her Gypsy Smith stories and us all believing her, thats 3 generations that believed her how funny is that now I have to tell my kids...............lol

I honestly don't know how to thank you enough Barbara you are truly wonderful for all the help you have given me
I can research the smith line back now, and thanks to you I wont need a crystal ball to find them 
Cheers and I hope you have a wonderful Christmas

Ellie

[tiggi]

Hi
 I just noticed your posts regarding Smith etc but its the Packman link that interests me most....
there was a family who were called Packman that came to Devon from London, I haven;t done much research on them but they were sort of Gypsies ( not sure what trade maybe metal or scap dealers) and associated with A Gypsy Smith familyby marriages etc and also Penfold Orchard all Gypsies
I would be interested if you find anything that might link up to Devon

[tiggi]

Just thought......... the line of Packman that came from London I am sure it was a Tom Packman could this be thomas ? you have listed ?
 i will check and see what I have on him

[ellie_downunder]

Blimey Tiggy, I am going to wet myself laughing maybe she was telling the truth after all lol, I would be so grateful if you could please look for me. I am not laughing out of disrespect but you had to know my Nan, she would be loving this lol. and she is most likely the one to have the last laugh 
Cheers Ellie

[tiggi]

  lol elle
 I know exactly what you mean - your nan sounded like a really nice lady and had character  :)l

I will look up Thomas Packman and see if its same person I think also I need to re-read your posts and see if I can place any of them but I don;t think your nan was lying lol
You mentioned Norwood in the beginning well that was a known Gypsy haunt and guess by who ?
The Lee family... so must be some truth alittle some where
Have you looked up about Norwood ?
Lots of Gypsies lived there

[Barbara F]

Hello ellie

So glad I could help  

I have found the Packman family in 1841 in Bromley Kent and they are all listed as born in county.

Bromley Common
Thomas 55 Wood Breaker?
Keturah 40
George 20 Lab
Henry 18 Lab
Edward 15 Lab
Eliza 14
Samuel 12
Elizabeth 10
Lucy 5
Matilda 9 months

HO107  480/ 8 f 24

Barbara

[ellie_downunder]

 Tiggi I just started on the Smith line, I sort of was procrastinating for quiet a while, I thought it was going to be worse than hubbies Williams side,  But its looking like its going to be a real learning experience, I love to do the social history of my branches and I have written a few poems, Guess I am a little like my Nan
I like to tell the stories too    I will look into Norwood, My Nan
was born in Australia so its not likely that she would of known a lot about the Gypsy culture, after reading your posting I now wish that I had taken her more seriously and asked her more than I did , but sadly she is gone now and so has my Mum, So if she does turn out to be correct I will write the best history on the gypsies that I can for my Nan. cheers ellie

[ellie_downunder]

what a loverly name Kerturah is I have never heard it before
mmmmmmm this is getting interesting I looked it up and its Hebrew meaning "incense" wonder if I am Jewish too 
Its 1 am here and I have to be up in 5 1/2 hrs, So I am going to
bed and tomorrow I am going to get stuck into it, that is providing I can sleep now as you girls have got me excited with all this information, Thank you both I am most grateful.
Cheers Ellie

[tiggi]

Hi Elle
 My Packman family did come down from London but head of family was William Packman with his brothers in law Bill- Vanslow- Sam Cooper
 William maybe son of woman by name of King  of Kent
 Sorry to build up your hopes