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castana1985
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Newbiggin?
« on: Wednesday 15 July 09 22:51 UTC (UK) »
I am looking for my husbands gt. grandfather.

John Seymour b. 4 Aug 1885 in Newbiggin (Cumberland), Northumbria.

All we know is his father was called John and he married a Mary Jane Ashworth in Failsworth, Manchester on 6 Feb 1913. He served in WW1 and I have his short service record from Ancestry.

What I can't find.. is any census records of him in 1891 or 1901?
I have access to 1911, but haven't looked for him yet.

Can anybody find him??
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Re: Newbiggin?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 15 July 09 23:01 UTC (UK) »
Hi

Where did you get the info from re: his birthplace?  Morpeth was the registration district for Newbiggin and there is no birth for a John Seymour between 1883-1887

There are only 2 John Seymour births in Northumberland in that period - both Newcastle on Tyne and neither fits with a birth in August 1885

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and he married a Mary Jane Ashworth


Do you mean Mary J Sidlow?
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castana1985
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Re: Newbiggin?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 15 July 09 23:07 UTC (UK) »
His birth town etc was from his war records - but it was a bit confusing as it gave Newbiggin, Northumberland in one place - and Newbiggin, Cumberland in another??
So not sure if there is another Newbiggin?

On his wedding cert it gave us the name of his father - John.
Both John and his father were 'colliers' - so again, I'm assuming John was born somewhere where mining was taking place??

I've tried looking for a family with the two John's (father and son)... but can't find any to tie in?

Any ideas would be most welcome!

And yes, he did marry Mary J Sidlow... nee Ashworth!
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Re: Newbiggin?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 15 July 09 23:14 UTC (UK) »
Hi

Apart from the two that you've mentioned, there's also a Newbiggin in Teeside/North Yorks.  It's likely to be the Northumberland one if it's a coal mining area.

Not found a suitable John on the 1891 yet, though  Undecided


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Newbiggin .. is it in Durham or Northumberland?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 16 July 09 16:37 UTC (UK) »
This is a link to another post I started in the Northumberland area...
Not sure whether I'm looking for Newbiggin in Durham or Nothumberland.. but if anyone has any ideas.. please let me know!

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,392680.0.html

Thank you.
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Re: Newbiggin .. is it in Durham or Northumberland?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 16 July 09 17:55 UTC (UK) »
See http://leisure.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/search/all/newbiggin/1?q=newbiggin&gazName=p
and http://nd.durham.gov.uk/recordoffice/dro.nsf/vwebplaces?OpenView&Startkey=N
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castana1985
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Re: Newbiggin .. is it in Durham or Northumberland?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 16 July 09 19:12 UTC (UK) »
Gosh Stan, that's more confusing than ever! Huh

On John's war record it says Newbiggin, Northumberland?? So which one?
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Re: Newbiggin .. is it in Durham or Northumberland?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 16 July 09 20:22 UTC (UK) »
Hi Castana  Smiley

I thought that you said that on the service record it said Northumberland and also Cumberland. I think I mentioned there that there was one near Stockton as well - so that makes three  Undecided

I had a quick look for the service record but wasn't sure if I'd got the right one - have you got a link so that we can study it, please.


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Re: Newbiggin .. is it in Durham or Northumberland?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 16 July 09 21:15 UTC (UK) »
Hi Gadget

Yes, here is the link:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=View&r=5538&dbid=1114&iid=miuk1914a_086767-01140&fn=John&ln=Seymour&st=r&ssrc=pt_t9350091_p-347098966_g32768&pid=619316

Hope you can access it OK?

It's really 'stumping' me! Huh

Tracy
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Re: Newbiggin .. is it in Durham or Northumberland?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 16 July 09 21:23 UTC (UK) »
First page certainly says Newbiggin in the County of Northumberland so that would be the Newbiggin by the sea one

29 years and 13 days on 17 Aug 1914 but later says enlisted 5th August  Undecided
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Re: Newbiggin .. is it in Durham or Northumberland?
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 16 July 09 21:25 UTC (UK) »
His birth is the same as what he gives on his marriage cert... which is what I can't understand? Huh

Any ideas?
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Re: Newbiggin .. is it in Durham or Northumberland?
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 16 July 09 21:33 UTC (UK) »
I only see Newbiggin, Northumberland on the record, apart from where he was currently living/working.

Could he have used another name earlier in his life or adopted a step father's name  Undecided

added - oops - now got to a page that says, 'Apparent age - 19 years and 10 months*  Undecided

*is this a different one?
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Re: Newbiggin .. is it in Durham or Northumberland?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 16 July 09 21:47 UTC (UK) »
There are quite a few Newbiggins

Northumberland,

One near Middleton in Teesdale,

One near to Sedgefeild on the A689 road towards Wynyard.

Cumberland,  but looking at the war records it says Newbiggin Northumberland so that the one it is.

JR
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Re: Newbiggin .. is it in Durham or Northumberland?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 16 July 09 21:55 UTC (UK) »
Hi JR

That was discussed in the previous thread that was mentioned on the first message.   The papers are definite about it being Newbiggin, Northumberland.


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Re: Newbiggin .. is it in Durham or Northumberland?
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 16 July 09 22:01 UTC (UK) »
Castana

Having looked at this on both threads, I'm coming to the conclusion that there was a name change at some stage. Do you have him on the 1911?

I've been through all the Johns b. Newbiggin/b. Northumberland/b. Durham/b. Cumberland/b. Westmrland around that date and I can't find a suitable one  or whose surname has been misintepreted.


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