Malvina Hose - a mystery

[mongoose2]

apologies if this be the wrong board however common with this family the people I am trying to trace haven't remained in one place and I have a mix of Canada, Channel islands and London.

The facts as I know them are as follows.

John William Danson HOSE married Emma Elizabeth HOSE his cousin on the 31st October 1847 St Peter's Walworth, Newington, Surrey (now part of London) they moved to Ramsgate where they have several children. (all documented from Canterbury archives) he doesnt appear on 1851 census although she does as a Trinity House mariners wife. By 1861 she is calling herself a widow.

Further research on the London Metropolitan archives has found a lady called Ida Malvina Hose marrying twice once in 1866 and again in 1867 to the same Robert Charles Tucker. details as follows

1st on 21/7/1866 St Peter, Newington (where John William danson HOSE lived and got married) Robert is an Actuary and Ida states her father is John HOSE a Naval Officer (deceased) witnesses were Henry George HOSE and Adelaide Eleanor HOSE. (1st Cousin and 1st cousin once removed respectively to John William Danson HOSE)
2nd Marriage 30/9/1867 St Pancras Parish Church details are same as to family but differnt witnesses. This is odd in and of itself as people dont usually marry twice!!

Now looking for Ida Malvina in prevous censii I find in 1861 Mahina (malvina) HOSE living at 43 London Street, St Pancras aged 47 born St Johns, Newfoundland with Daughter Ida aged 15 born Guernsey.
in 1851 census we have at 2 Lambeth Cottages, St Peter Port, Guernsey the following
Peter Egan aged 28 Head  Professer of Music born England
Malvena HOSE age 38 cousin born New Brunswick
Ida BLOTT age 7 visitor born St Peter Port
+ 2 further visitors

Now what I need to find out is John William Danson HOSE the father of Ida Malvina BLOTT / HOSE

just to add a little to this in the first marriage in 1866 Adelaide Eleanor Hose b. 1855 dies in the last quarter of 1866 (just after the wedding) and in 1867 her parents have another daughter whom they call Adelaide Malvina Elizabeth HOSE. hardly a coincidence.
Barry

[AMBLY]

Hi Barry

This might be Malvina in 1841....

1841: Nr 40 Longston - St Peters Port, Guernsey
HO107/ Piece 1460/ Book: 13/ Folio: 32/ Page: 12/
Joshua le BRETON 55, Shipwright J - b Jersey
Susanna le BRETON 35 - b Jersey
Charles le BRETON 15, Carpenter Ap -  b Jersey
/
Nicholas DAY 20, Carpenter J , b Guernsey
Mulonia BLOTT 30, Ind , b America
Adelaide BLOTT 11, b England
Manton BLOTT 9, b England (male)

Cheers
AMBLY

[tazzie]

  Strange that there is also this one as well....

 on freebmd    Ida Melvina Hose
                       Edward Peake

                      George Foot
                      Honorine Wagner,  ( appear on 1871 census together)
  1862 qt1  St Pancras reg district.

  Tazzie

[AMBLY]

Hmmm - that is strange ! If same girl - I wonder it that's something to do with the 2 marriages to TUCKER, like maybe the first one to TUCKER was 'declared not legal 

Here's the last two census for Malvina

1871: 17 Dale Road, St Pancras
RG10 /  Piece: 242 /  Folio: 80 /  Page: 49
Head: Robert C TUCKER 25, Insurance Clerk, b Pimlico
Wife: Ida M TUCKER 24, b Guernsey
Mother-in-Law: Malvina I. S. HOSE 57, widow, Annuitant, b British North America
(a certain source has transcribed her surname as HORE, which is does look like, but could also be HOSE)

1881: 28 Carlton Street, St Pancras
RG11 /  Piece: 217 /  Folio: 132 /  Page: 71
Head: Mary Ann DURHAM 54, widow, b London
Son: Edgar DURHAM 24, unm, Clerk, b London
Son: John DURHAM 21, unm, Joiner, b London
Dau: Laura l DURHAM 20, unm, Dressmaker, b London
Boarder: William K (or R) LITTLEFIELD 20, unm, Smith, b Rotherhithe
Boarder: Malvenie HOSE 75, widow, Officers Widow, b N. K.
(Malvina's 'occupation' has been struck thru by the checker - obviously because it's not an occupation as such and doesn't fit into statistical analysis criteria. Definitely says "Officers Widow" - but a certain source has transcribed the 2nd word as "mistress' - what a let down to see it says 'widow')

FreeBMD DEATH:
Malvina Jane S HOSE age 78 - Pancras Sep Qtr 1882

Also, to note: In 1861, she was in the household of Henry EGAN, (not Peter).

Cheers
AMBLY

[mongoose2]

Thanks all

Is there by any chance any sign of or marriage to John HOSE in 1841 - 1851 records for St Pter Port. He definitely married his cousin in 1847 and that says batchelor!!

Bary

[mongoose2]

you may also Ambly have solved another brick wall.

I have always had on my tree 3 children for John HOSE snr who was an RN officer but have never found a wife. John HOSE senior was born 1790 and had 3 children
Adelaide
Stanton
and John William Danson HOSE

with that 1841 Guernsey census you may have solved just who mum was. whether John snr as their father may remain a mystery.

So I wonder if Malvina Blott married John HOSE snr and took in Adelaide and Stanto as his own.

Barry

[AMBLY]

Ah!    That has   unfurrowed the brow; I'm glad!

By John HOSE Snr, do you mean he is the father of John WD HOSE, Emma's husband? yes you do 
So now it appears Malvina was technically the stepmother of JWD, and Ida was JWD's sister (step or half)?

Stanton!! Of course!  Manton was really befuddling me 

So it could be that Malvina was first married to a BLOTT?

Do you know anything about Henry EGAN, said to be Malvina's cousin on the 1851 Census?

Cheers
AMBLY

[mongoose2]

no idea to who EGAN was and if John senior married Mavina BLOTT (yes to father of JWD HOSE) would there be any records in Guernsey?

Barry

[Jacquie in Canada]

Looks like Edward Peake filed for divorce from Ida Malvina Peake in 1865. There's a file at the National Archives:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/07w7/

Jacquie