re: Immigration record 1864

[loobylooayr]

Here's an idea. Probably wrong
Could the Williamson birth have been twins? Boy-died after birth, girl- survived voyage?
Looking at the last page it is noted that there were 5 male and 2 female births plus 1 female birth in quarantine. There were three deaths - 2 males and 1 female in quarantine. The number of births doesn't tally with the individual records - I make it 3 male births (4 if we include the Williamson baby) and 2 female (1 of them born in quarantine).
Were there any more children after they arrived in NSW, Mrs bee?
Or have I been on the grog?

Looby

[Br1gau]

I think the sun is well over the yard arm Looby    If we take the male Williamson child as a clerical error, I make 3 surviving children out of 7 births on board

Births: 4 male + 3 female

Deaths: 2 male + 2 female

Male Arnold born & died (5 days)
Male Aiken born & died
Female Williamson born & died (40 hours)
Female Carr born & died in quarantine

Female McKellar born in quarantine (survived)
Joseph Cawthorne born on voyage (survived)
Male Rogson born on voyage (survived)

Answering on behalf of mrs bee (sorry, bee but you’re probably asleep) The NSW BDM site shows only these McWilliam children with parents Thomas & Mary:

Elizabeth – died 1860
James – married, 9 children
Annie – married, 9 children

[loobylooayr]

Oh well that clears that up
Not easy counting baby births on those records.
So poor Mary lost a baby in 1858 before sailing and then lost one onboard. Has already lost Mary born 1855 in Scotland (I presume) and then loses Elizabeth a year after arriving in NSW.
How sad, but as I said earlier probably not uncommon.

[Br1gau]

There was also baby Thomas bpt 1856 New Monkland who did not survive, so just two children reaching adulthood out of seven born.

Travelling down from Airdrie + 122 days at sea from Southampton to Sydney and then on to Newcastle – that’s a long journey!  Getting stuck on the mud in the Thames before fully under sail wouldn’t have helped moral much either:  http://tinyurl.com/mzy3kfp  Added to that is Mary’s journey from Co Down to Lanarkshire as a young girl – so many tales to tell, I hope her eighteen grandchildren got to hear them.

[mrs.bee.5]

Hello,
Hope you pair don't wake up with a hangover, all that rum (hic) and tomfoolery! I don't mind if you talk among yourselves, probably (it would) make more sense than if I tried to join in.  Yes, I was having my beauty sleep while you two were yakking. thanks again...bee

[loobylooayr]

Hi bee,

I'm fine....don't know abouT Br1gau
Just got a bit bamboozled by the 19th century handwriting yesterday.
But I think we got there eventually and as Br1gau points out the McWilliams/Williamsons had a horrendous journey to NSW and poor Mary and Thomas with all those lost children.
But dates have now established that the family travelled from New Monkland to Southampton in 1858 and then on to Australia, arriving in 1859. No time to go to America as per your original question.
Good luck with the rest of your research.
Looby  

[mrs.bee.5]

Hello all who assisted me,
Still plugging along and finding out more as I go.  Just wanted to thank you all again, you do some excellent researching.  bee
Would like to add a smiley, will have to learn.

[loobylooayr]

Pleased your still making progress bee!
Haven't you got a row of smiley /sad/confused faces above the reply box.
Just click on one and symbols appear on your message but when the message is posted they magically transform into smiley Santas this month 
Looby

[Br1gau]

Hi bee,

  nice to hear of your progress!

brigau