Thomas Packford. Herts or Middlesex?

[Chooch]

Hi everyone
I'm not sure which board this should be on Herts or Middlesex but I'm hoping some one can help find Thomas in 1901/1911, here's what I know....
Born 1858 in Waltham Abbey Essex but by 1881 was living with his father in Crescent Rd, Cheshunt ( accord. to 1881 census).
1891 (census)finds him in Sydney Rd, Cheshunt aged 33 occ, Labourer with his brother Charles and family also father.
But then I've lost him in 1901/1911 although I can find the rest of the family.
I've searched FS who have a Thomas Packford aged 62 born Waltham Essex, Sched type Institution,
Upper Edmonton/Edmonton Middlesex in 1911 and of course they direct to view  the record to FindMyPast. Well! I've tried that and nothing comes up. Also tried A******y but nothing comes up there either.
Any ideas what/where I can try next please? There is a death for Thomas Packford Sep.1913 Edmonton reg. age 64 this would fit with my Thomas.

Your suggestions would be most welcome,

Chooch

[louisa maud]

We cannot talk about 1911 on here, I believe that this death 1913 is possibly your Thomas, was he a single man?

Go with your feelings on 1911 and have another look at Ancestry

I think to look just a year either side of his birthdate would find him

Louisa Maud

[Chooch]

Thank you Louisa Maud for your suggestion.
 I was searching for him with his correct birth year 1858, with a year or two either side until your suggestion made me rethink and I looked again at the age on FS and the death record. Both of these were ten years out but no other Thomas Packford found that could be him, so for whatever reason I believe this is my man but he has aged 10 years.
Yes my Thomas was single and a labourer.

Thanks again
Chooch

[louisa maud]

Somewhere there a mistake, perhaps the records are wrong, or perhaps even me but it does state 62 years d of b=1849

Is it possible you could manage to find out where the admissions register is , that might pin it down, pity we can't find him on 1901

Is there a family burial plot where you could find where this man is buried, it will then clarify if he is your man or not, 10 years difference is quite a lot, a year or two is acceptable but 10 years, who knows?

Is it to much of a gamble to purchase the death cert 1913?

Louisa Maud

[Chooch]

Totally agree with you Louisa Maud, there is a big difference and I will not add this Thomas to my tree until I can be more certain of him. Certainly finding him in 1901 would help a lot I think but no luck so far.
Although he and his father were with brother Charles and family 1891, the father was still there in 1901 (but dying in 1903) Thomas had disappeared. I wonder if he had a disability of some kind and couldn't clearly state his age/details.
As I'm in Australia I think the best option is to send for the death certificate it would be worth it as I cannot find any other Thomas Packford that could apply.
 As far as I know there is not a family plot.

Regards
Chooch

[louisa maud]

I have tried various options as you have to no avail, he might have been left off or was elsewhere, the age difference poses a problem

He is not listed on my NBI resting in a burial ground

What a pity you can't access the admittance records for the Edmonton Upper Workhouse and records of his death if he died whilst in there,

Happy hunting, I hope you get some joy

regards

Louisa Maud
PS, try googling Edmonton Upper Work House

[louisa maud]

Having looked at
Thomas Packford there seems to be only 2 listed on
freebmd.org.uk
1858 born Edmonton
1913 death Edmonton aged 64
this is a difference of 10 years

There doesn't seem to be any other

I think he is listed on family trees online but there doesn't seem to be a death date against any of them, perhaps whoever has these trees has the same problem

The plot deepens ?

LM

[Chooch]

I too only found those two records for Thomas Packford, you're right the mystery deepens and I believe the best answer is the death certificate. Fingers crossed it will give a clue. Can't be sure by age so hopefully it will mention a name/place that matches.
I have seen the trees online and as you say they must have the same problem.
Thanks again Louisa Maud,

Chooch

[jennifer c]

He is 3 in 1861 and seems to keep roughly to his age while with his family, it only goes astray when he is on his own.

It looks like the age he went in to the workhouse with is the age they worked out his age at his death.

Jennifer