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Re: Name of herring boat wrecked 1859.
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 12 November 14 13:16 GMT (UK) »
Tom,
I had a search for possible fund raising and also extended original search to end of February '60 but found no further details.
Thank you for confirming where 3 of the deaths were recorded.

Dod,
I had an initial reply from SFM on Monday and was advised that a potential boat has been identified from a local book. However, it requires further consideration and SFM wanted to know what details my original source held. I replied on Monday and await their reply.

Many thanks for your interest and advice thus far.
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Re: Name of herring boat wrecked 1859.
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 12 November 14 15:11 GMT (UK) »
Could it be this one at all (area etc., seems to fit):

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9th September 1859, NANCY, 4 mths old, lugger, 16 tons, 6 crew, carrying fish and one passenger, stranded, total loss, 7 lives lost, wind WSW10, between Cellardyke and [the] Isle of May [May Island].


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http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/en/site/197364/details/nancy+firth+of+forth/
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Re: Name of herring boat wrecked 1859.
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 12 November 14 15:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi scotsmum,

That could be the very one, Nancy named after one of the wives or daughters no doubt.

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Re: Name of herring boat wrecked 1859.
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 13 November 14 13:36 GMT (UK) »
Hello scotmum,

The date and name is the same as what SFM had advised me of - I await their further inquiries.
The extra information in your message appears to confirm details in the newspaper reports.
It looks good for solving the "mystery".
Will advise when SFM get back to me.
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Re: Name of herring boat wrecked 1859.
« Reply #13 on: Monday 17 November 14 09:46 GMT (UK) »
As somebody has already mentioned, the page of the deaths-register with James Young's details also mentions his fellow-crewmen William Hughes and James Hughes (I've normalised the spelling of the surname). Does anyone know who the other victims were?

William Hughes was old, at 72, to still be going to the fishing, unless he was the passenger. His death-certificate shows that his mother was Nannie or Nancie Muir, and that may be a clue to the name of the boat. Maybe he was the owner. Scotlandspeople shows that William "Heugh" was born in 1789 in Pittenweem to James Heugh and Agnes Muir. In Scotland the baptismal name Agnes often becomes Nancy in everyday usage.

"Nancy" was an ill-fated name for a boat in east Fife as two Cellardyke boats with that name were lost with all hands in 1805 and 1846.

William Hughes's death was registered by his son William Hughes, and I think this is the same William Hughes, "father", who registers the death of 18-year-old James Hughes. You can take it for granted that any Pittenweem boat will have one or more crewmen called Hughes (Heugh, Heughs, Heughes, the name is a nightmare to look up on Scotlandspeople!).

The skipper James Young was in Kilrenny parish, no doubt meaning Cellardyke, when he married Ann Walker Anderson in 1851. His death-certificate gives his father's name as - Haggart and his mother as Jean Young, so he was illegitimate. His death was registered by his father-in-law Fergus Anderson, who was a brother of my 3 x great-grandmother Betty Anderson, wife of Lock Horsburgh, whaler in Pittenweem.

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Re: Name of herring boat wrecked 1859.
« Reply #14 on: Monday 17 November 14 12:15 GMT (UK) »
Hello Harry,
The Daily Scotsman of 12.9.1859 lists the deceased as :-
James Young, skipper, 32 married.
William Hughes, 72 married.
James Hughes, 18 unmarried.
William Hughes Jr, 8 G/son of Wm.Hughes above.
John Lamont, 42 married, Tyree.
Edward Davidson, 32 married, millworker Dundee.
John Band, 30 married, labourer Stravithie.

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Re: Name of herring boat wrecked 1859.
« Reply #15 on: Monday 17 November 14 12:53 GMT (UK) »
Hello Harry,
The Daily Scotsman of 12.9.1859 lists the deceased as :-
James Young, skipper, 32 married.
William Hughes, 72 married.
James Hughes, 18 unmarried.
William Hughes Jr, 8 G/son of Wm.Hughes above.
John Lamont, 42 married, Tyree.
Edward Davidson, 32 married, millworker Dundee.
John Band, 30 married, labourer Stravithie.

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Thanks. The last three men mentioned would have been "half-dealsmen", men who worked on the boat for a wage as distinct from the full-time fishermen who would have had shares in the boat.

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Re: Name of herring boat wrecked 1859.
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 18 November 14 17:55 GMT (UK) »
Today I received a reply from Linda Fitzpatrick at the Scottish Fisheries Museum, Anstruther who has consulted her colleagues and their opinion is that the name of the boat lost on 9.9.1859 was NANCY.
The evidence pointed to that being so and I am happy to agree.

Many thanks to all who contributed and for additional information provided.
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Re: Name of herring boat wrecked 1859.
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 18 November 14 19:23 GMT (UK) »
Today I received a reply from Linda Fitzpatrick at the Scottish Fisheries Museum, Anstruther who has consulted her colleagues and their opinion is that the name of the boat lost on 9.9.1859 was NANCY.
The evidence pointed to that being so and I am happy to agree.

Many thanks to all who contributed and for additional information provided.
jcmac

In your first post you mentioned that the boat was lost off Caiplie, which is between Cellardyke and Crail. By coincidence, the loss of a previous "Nancy" in 1846 was commemorated in verse by a ploughboy at Caiplie farm, as we learn from George Gourlay's "Fisher Life; or, The Memorials of Cellardyke and the Fife Coast". The poem is quoted in its entirety by Gourlay, and begins:

"You fishermen of Cellardyke, that on the sea do sail,
Come listen with attention unto this mournful tale,
It's of a splendid new boat - the "Nancy - lost at sea,
With seven of a crew, my boys, the truth I'll tell to you …"

Sixteen children lost their father in that disaster.

I had two ancestors who were farm labourers at Caiplie.

Harry