McGuire/Maguire from Cavan to South Australia

[aghadowey]

I think the OP is perhaps dating the photos from the time family went out to Australia (rather than thinking that many/most could have been sent out at various later dates).

One of my concerns is the locations in Ireland- Strabane to Cavan town is about 70 miles (a great distance in those days). Someone living in Cavan would have (depending on exactly where they lived) gone to locally for a picture to be taken to places like Cavan town, Clones, etc. not Strabane. Of course, it's not clear exactly how many of these photos were taken in Strabane.

Really need more details from OP.

[Ben Nicholson]

Sorry all, very new here and am very quickly learning what not to do.

The people I am looking at specifically are HUGH MCGUIRE AND SUSAN (maiden name unknown).
What I know already is:
HUGH MCGUIRE
Born: Ca 1813 (SA Death Cert)
Married ca 1853
Death: 20 May 1896 in Farrell Flat, SA (SA Death Cert)

SUSAN MCGUIRE
Born: ca 1818 in Cavan Ireland (Obit and SA Death Certificate) Note that Death cert had Birthplace listed as Cavanah in Ireland.
Immigrated: ca 1858 (Death Cert had her living in SA for 55 years before 1913)
Married ca 1853
Death: 4 April 1913

They had the following Children:
Mary McGuire (later Reilly)
Hugh Philip McGuire (born ca1863 in Farrell Flat)

The only details I was able to garner regarding HUGH PHILLIPS birth are from his Death Cert, for some reason I am unable to find his Birth in the Registry.

[Ben Nicholson]

Here are some of the photos from said album with the backs of photos also scanned:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicholsoncahalan/11366235363/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicholsoncahalan/11366138146/

You are very correct. I had dated the photos taken in SA, but had just assumed the photos taken in Ireland had come out with them. Hence saying they were 150-200 years old. (I may have rounded up for dramatic effect ;P)

A big thanks to all for helping a Newbie.

[majm]

May I please gently remind us that  200 years ago means

1. photos had not yet been invented
2. Britain had not established the Colony of South Autralia

Likely at least a later generation or more needed  before photos or port facilities in South Oz ... 

Cheers JM

[Ben Nicholson]

I have a theory to run by all.

Only reference I can find to a Hugh Mcguire in Shipping Lists is:

Maguire    Hugh    27               Labourer    1001/1    Cavan    
          Judith (Smyth)    25                   
          Mary    5                   
          Catherine    2                   died at sea, Aug. 09 1858

Now my GGGGrandfather Hugh Snr was married to a Susan BUT Hugh and Susan did have a daughter named Mary. Their last name was also spelt Maguire in their obits. The thing that entices me though is when my GGGrandfather (Hugh Maguire Jnr) was born in SA, there is no record of his birth. But there is a record for a Hugh Maguire, father Hugh and Mother Judith born in the year he was born. Do you think that this Judith may have changed her name to Susan and this is possibly the family I have been looking for the entire time?

The only inconsistency is that it would make Judith/Susan and Hugh much younger then their death certs implied. Perhaps they lied about DOB on their shipping applications.

[aghadowey]

Taking one of your Strabane photos-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicholsoncahalan/11182626745/in/photostream/

George Laidlaw photographer in 1877 directory-
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/PT_STW1877.htm
also 1880- https://sites.google.com/site/oldstrabaneweb/trade-directory/1880-directory
not listed in 1861 and 1901 directories.

Is it "Cross View House" that appears on the back of that photo? (poor quality image makes it difficult to be sure). If so, a J.C. Todd (under gentry, clergy, etc.) there in 1880-
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/PT_STW1880.htm

[majm]

Hi

If you were to ask the regulars on the RChat Aussie Board about these people  am quite sure there are RChatters who know where to find SA shipping info.  Alternatively you could try the RChat South Aust Resources Board. 

Your theory should be considered by the SA Rchatters. 

It would be sensible to let them know where you found the shipping info you have at hand and if poss the name of that ship and the year of that voyage.

Cheers JM  I am NSW Centric with not much practical experience of SA research

I have a theory to run by all.

Only reference I can find to a Hugh Mcguire in Shipping Lists is:

Maguire    Hugh    27               Labourer    1001/1    Cavan    
          Judith (Smyth)    25                   
          Mary    5                   
          Catherine    2                   died at sea, Aug. 09 1858

Now my GGGGrandfather Hugh Snr was married to a Susan BUT Hugh and Susan did have a daughter named Mary. Their last name was also spelt Maguire in their obits. The thing that entices me though is when my GGGrandfather (Hugh Maguire Jnr) was born in SA, there is no record of his birth. But there is a record for a Hugh Maguire, father Hugh and Mother Judith born in the year he was born. Do you think that this Judith may have changed her name to Susan and this is possibly the family I have been looking for the entire time?

The only inconsistency is that it would make Judith/Susan and Hugh much younger then their death certs implied. Perhaps they lied about DOB on their shipping applications.

[majm]

Is anyone else out there tracing Maguires/McGuires who emigrated from Cavan to South Austrlia particularly around 1858.

Looking for futher details on Hugh Maguire/McGuire; Husband of Susan and father of Hugh Philip and settled in the Burra area of South Australia.

Birth 1863 Reg No. 29/381 Hugh MAGUIRE, parents as Hugh MAGUIRE and Judith SMITH, in the Clare District (of South Australia) 

The link below is one of the many live links found at RChat's South Australia Resources Board.  I found the info about that 1863 birth on the INDEX at that link.   

http://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.html


Here is the link to the Australia Board http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?board=165.0

Within that is this link http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?board=399.0  (Resources)
Within that is this link http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=280572.0 (South Aust Resources)

Here's the thread with info about posting on the Australia Board (How to Request a Look Up) http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368728.0


Cheers,  JM

[majm]

http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/frenchman1858.shtml

I am guessing you have copied the info from the above website.   It is the effort of a transcriber who has noted his sources. 

I quote these here (and emphasise the significant bit)  "Sources: State Library South Australia, official passenger lists, mainly of immigrants arriving in South Australia under United Kingdom assisted passage schemes, 1847-1886 GRG 35/48a (formely ACC 313); Sydney Shipping Gazette; South Australian Register; The South Australian Government Gazette; GRG 35/48/2 Crown lands and Immigrant ships papers; Biographical index SA 1836-1885 (the B-index column indicates individuals who may be found in that index, with corresponding reference number for further research) ; FreeBMD ; 1851 UK census'".    There's the explanation re the "1001/1" entry in your post, as it is in the B index.   So that transcriber is alerting you to their own observation that there's scope for further research.

Fingers crossed this will be helpful to you, and may well lead to sorting out Susan v Judith.

Cheers,  JM

Only reference I can find to a Hugh Mcguire in Shipping Lists is:

Maguire    Hugh    27               Labourer    1001/1    Cavan    
          Judith (Smyth)    25                   
          Mary    5                   
          Catherine    2                   died at sea, Aug. 09 1858