Help Please! Who was Joseph Turners Mother?

[ansett]

Dear Roots chatters your help required with this one.I will try and keep it simple:

Joseph Turner B 1854 Wolverhampton Died 1894:
married Harriet Martin B 1856 W-ton:
Children:James B 1881 :Alfred:1884 :Anne:1881 Florence May 1892:William Henry 1883:
All Baptiised Saint Andrews Church in the Whitmore Reans area:

Joseph and Harriet
 married St Georges Church 30/3/1875
Abode Duke Street W-ton Josephs Occupation Lath Cleaver Father to Joseph shown as John:
they also lived in Gt Hampton Street Wolverhampton
I would like to know the name of Joseph Turners Mother:all I know is that her name was Ann.

I have claimed in my tree that Ann Duffield as Josephs mother however on looking back and checking dates I have my doubts.

Ann Duffield married John Turner (Locksmith) 12/7/1845 at St Georges Church: abode Horsley Fields
Ann's father John Occupation as Caster:
Ann and John lived in Shakespear street in the 1861 Census, they had several children
they had a son Joseph but records show that he was born 1853 and died 1868 age 16 years;

When checking Joseph Turners birth there were two named:
Joseph  Turner 1/4/1853 to John and Ann:  Ward Street Wolverhampton Occ Hinge Filer

Joseph Turner 1/4/1853 also to John and Ann: Ward Street Occ: Puddler.

I hope that some one with the Turner family in their tree can help me with mine.
It looks like I will have to erase a few families, rather this than claim Ann Duffield.
I have tried all avenues to find Joseph Turner,s mother Ann.

many thanks.

[PaulineJ]

Does joseph b 1854 not have a birth registration?

Theres 3 or 4 in 1853, 5 in 1854 and another couple in '55. (westmidlandsbmd)

A birth certificate will confirm MMN.

what aboutthe 1875 marriage. I can't see a father's occupation in the details

Pauline

[ansett]

Hi Pauline,

Yes there are several Joseph Turners,the reason I have not requested marriage certificate is
I believe this will not show his mothers name only his fathers.

I have looked everywhere.I was quite satisfied that Ann Duffield was his mother until I did a recheck on one of the dates and discovered the son of John Turner and Ann Duffield Joseph had died at the age of 16 years therefore not my Joseph, thanks anyway.

Ansett

[avm228]

Hi Ansett

You say you haven't ordered the marriage certificate but presumably you have the parish register entry (i.e. all the same information) for Joseph & Harriet's marriage, from the details you have given?  What was John's occupation, and who were the witnesses?  Also, what was Joseph's age (if given)?

[avm228]

I see that Joseph was aged:

29 in the 1881 census (b 1851-2)
37 in the 1891 census (b 1853-4)
40 at death, Jun qtr 1894 (b 1853-4).

[trish1120]

Marriage;
30 March 1875, St George, Wolverhampton
Joseph TURNER, 21, Bachelor, Labourer, abode Duke St, Father JOHN, Occp Lath Clever
Harriet MARTIN, 18, Spinster, abode Duke St, Father JOSEPH, Occp Sawyer
Witnesses, William Mansell/Mary Rowan
(FreeREG)

Trish

[avm228]

I wonder how you know your Joseph's mother was an Ann?  Is it just because you have found certain baptisms with mother's name Ann?

Given the lath cleaver occupation for Joseph's father John at Joseph's marriage I'd think the 1861 family of John (a lath cleaver) with wife Elizabeth and several children including a 7 yr old Joseph would be worth a look - in Blakemore St, Wolverhampton.

RG9/1988/45/10.

[rosie99]

Marriage;
30 March 1875, St George, Wolverhampton
Joseph TURNER, 21, Bachelor, Labourer, abode Duke St, Father JOHN, Occp Lath Clever
Harriet MARTIN, 18, Spinster, abode Duke St, Father JOSEPH, Occp Sawyer
Witnesses, William Mansell/Mary Rowan
(FreeREG)

Trish

You beat me to it Trish 
here is the link
http://www.rootschat.com/links/018g3/

[trish1120]

I agree with avm228