Lilley family from Lisburn

[aghadowey]

   Martha Hodgen's father was called Samuel. The marriage is recorded as LILLY/Hodgen.

See the problem now- they've put her name as Maartha in the database so when I searched for Martha it didn't show up.

[janec123]

They seem to also change the spelling of Lilley quite a lot too sometimes its with the E and sometimes without ,thanks for your help

[Magheragall]

Hi

reading you thread

a little bit more information

Date 2nd March 1879
Groom Hill Lilly
Age Full
Status Bachelor
Rank Labourer
Abode Magheragall
Father Thomas Lilly
Father’s Occupation Weaver

Bride Martha Hodgen
Age Full
Status Spinister
Rank Labourer
Abode Magheragall
Father Samuel Hodgen
Father’s Occupation Labourer

Note Hill & Martha did not sign their name but rather made their mark

Witnesses George Carson & Eleanor Larmour

Minister Revd Mockler

worth remembering that surnames often become first names, Hill could therefore be his mother's surname

yours magheragall

[janec123]

Thanks so much for the info ,didn't know that about surnames becoming first names ,I did think it was a strange first name to have !

[aghadowey]

It was, and is, very common for surnames to be used as first or middle names in Ulster, mainly amongst non-Catholic families. The surname can be mother's maiden name or from a variety of other places such as grandmother's maiden name, uncle by marriage, family friend, landlord, local doctor, minister or schoolteacher, etc. The possiblities are endless. Quite often the first name will be carried with it so that James Smyth Hamilton, known as Smyth perhaps, will have been named after a James Smyth or a Mary Brown Smyth will have been named after a Mary Brown.

[janec123]

So I should be looking for a Thomas Lilley who married a woman with the surname of Hill maybe ?

[aghadowey]

Not really. At the present time I have several relatives whose first or middle name they are known by originated as a surname. These surnames originally come from-
1) maiden surname of childless uncle's wife (so no blood relation)
2) grandmother's maiden name
3) great-grandmother's maiden name

[janec123]

Not so easy then lol

[heatherp]

Hi Janec, I have a record of a thomas Lilly who married Sarah Crawford on 5th June 1853 at Hillsborough C?Ireland.  I think these are Hill Lilly's parents.