Author Topic: Minnie Wilson and MIke Brown married 26 Feb 1913, Vancouver, Brtish Columbia  (Read 11118 times)

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G'day
I am trying to find out any further info on Minnie Wilson and Mike Brown who were married at St Andrews, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada on 26 Feb 1913.
Minnie Wilson born 21 Sep 1886 in Hull, Yorkshire, England.
Mike Brown (Michael William Brown) born Kansas about 1870  ???
Marriage certificate says: Minnie Wilson age 27 born England, residence when married as Kamloops, British Columbia, parents names Charles Frost Wilson and Isabella Hutton
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Mike Brown age 38, residence when married as Colby, Washington, USA birthplace Kansas, USA and parents Mike Brown and Lizzie Wainsborough
Family stories say Mike did not tell the truth about his age at the time he married Minnie and he was about 15 years older than Minnie hence the calculation of Mike being born some time around 1870. :o
After their marriage Mike and Minnie came to Tasmania in Australia where their first daughters was born in 1914 and then second daughter born also in Tasmania in 1916. They then went to Queensland, Australia where their 3rd daughter was born in 1924.  Both Mike and Minnie died in Queensland
Minnie was born in Yorkshire, England,  Her mother Isabella nee Hutton died when Minnie was about 8 years old.
In 1908 Minnie married a Karl or Frederick William Charles Weise who was said to have worked on ships.  Karl seems to have vanished and family stories say he died at sea.  Minnie and Karl had a daughter Annie (born Hull 1910 died Hull 1931).  Family stories say Minnie gave Annie to her sister and went to Canada. It seems Minnie did not take on the Weise surname!
What I am looking for is:
1) How did Minnie Wilson (or possible Weise or Weiss) get to Canada?
2) Are there any record of Mike Brown arriving in Canada (he may have also been to the Klondike looking for Gold before he went to Colby, Washington)
3) How did Mike and Minnie get from Canada to Tasmania?
Any further info about Mike Brown would also be appreciated.  Mike's earlier years are totally mysterious to our family.
Thanks in advance for any information
Cheerio
Gerri
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Re: Minnie Wilson and MIke Brown married 26 Feb 1913, Vancouver, Brtish Columbia
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 29 July 14 14:11 BST (UK) »
They do seem rather elusive. (the names don't help of course!)

Is Mike ever listed on Australian electoral rolls? (Would suggest he'd naturalised or was originally a British subject).

From the UK, Minnie is likely to have sailed into an east coast port (Quebec, Halifax, or a US port such as NY) and taken the train across.  She may have had a promise of work in the area - I think there was still a call for domestics etc. at the time.  From BC, they probably sailed from Vancouver direct to Australia.
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Re: Minnie Wilson and MIke Brown married 26 Feb 1913, Vancouver, Brtish Columbia
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 31 July 14 01:25 BST (UK) »
The similarities in names of parents & possible birth age here are interesting, but am only adding to the post as a possible clue, as could be a sibling...could also just be a red herring
Patrick Brown  / Birth  Feb.22 1872  Glasson, W. Ire
Christening  20,  Glasson, West, Ire
Michael Brown & Elizabeth Wandsborough

This Michael Brown is b. Ireland but widowed by 1900, living Kansas..w. two daughters in household...https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MMTP-ZK6
But the mother is Kate in earlier census and no son Michael.
1910 Washington census offers up no clues, there is only this Michael on the FHS search https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MGJ7-ZPK

The Hamburg passenger lists may have something to fill you in on Karl Weise...
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Re: Minnie Wilson and MIke Brown married 26 Feb 1913, Vancouver, Brtish Columbia
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 31 July 14 03:32 BST (UK) »
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11630-211007-20?cc=1307718
Ralph Swanston ..one of the witnesses....was from Berwick Scotland...Father Andrew, Mother  Mary Dodds / immigrated 1911/ wife Margaret Penny Borthwick in case anything sounds familiar...This is he in 1911 they transcribed his Y.O.B. incorrectly
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=64062
Note that there are some Wilson surnames just a few houses prior although it is quite a common name...but worth a look see
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Aralph~%20%2Bsurname%3Aswanston%20%2Bbirth_place%3Ascotland~
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Re: Minnie Wilson and MIke Brown married 26 Feb 1913, Vancouver, Brtish Columbia
« Reply #4 on: Friday 01 August 14 14:54 BST (UK) »
This could possibly be Minnie arriving in Sep 1911 on the Empress of Britain (would have missed Canadian census):
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0196q/

Aged 22 (slightly younger than actual age?) headed for Vancouver as a domestic.
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Re: Minnie Wilson and MIke Brown married 26 Feb 1913, Vancouver, Brtish Columbia
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 02 August 14 14:01 BST (UK) »
Thanks everyone for you amazing input.  I am doing this research for my older cousin and she is totally amazed by the information that has been located so far.  My cousin is the one who has relayed to me the family stories about Mike Brown and Minnie Wilson and asked me to do this research.
The record of the arrival in Canada of Minnie Wilson in  Sep 1911 seems to fit the profile well.
Family stories say that Minnie was working as a domestic at Kamloops when she married Mike Brown.  Records show she was living in Kamloops.
The info on Ralph Swanston one of the witnesses to Minnie and Mikes marriage is a real bonus...one has to wonder if they were long term friends.
Glasson Westmeath Ireland is in the area where we think our Browns came from, so we have to wonder if the Brown/Wansbrough record is connected ??? Further research may reveal something else. 
All suggestions are gratefully appreciated. 
Cheerio for now
Gerry Down Under.

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Re: Minnie Wilson and MIke Brown married 26 Feb 1913, Vancouver, Brtish Columbia
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 02 August 14 17:40 BST (UK) »
The fellows would only have known each other a couple of years, as Ralph immigrated 1911.
I did find a Michael with an "Ellen", a Patrick and a Michael of the ages we seek... all born in Ireland but none born or living in Kansas...so I didn't post as it is so far off...but if anything points back to it we know it is there... If he fibbed about his age, he may have fibbed about more....Hard to say until dots are connected or discarded...
How long were they in Canada/N.America? ( when did they turn up in Aus.?)
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Re: Minnie Wilson and MIke Brown married 26 Feb 1913, Vancouver, Brtish Columbia
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 03 August 14 17:45 BST (UK) »
Not sure if the correct spelling of Elizabeth spouse of Michael may have been with a "W" an "H" as also found this https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F52Z-GYD
Bridget Browne b. Dec. 6 1869
Birthplace:    0015, Glasson, Westmeath, Ireland
parents Michl Browne  and Elizabeth Handsboraugh

Oddly it is transcribed twice, this one says birth Coosan and uses different spellings all around, and is under another batch number... https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPS8-XVL
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Re: Minnie Wilson and MIke Brown married 26 Feb 1913, Vancouver, Brtish Columbia
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 03 August 14 17:50 BST (UK) »
It does pay to keep digging, as did find a Michael as well!!!
b. Apr. 20 1867 Glasson, West, Ire
Christening:17, GLASSON, WEST, IRE
parents: Michael Brown & Elizabeth Wandsbro
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F57W-FT5
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