Greens, America Place S. Leighton Buzzard

[tazzie]

  Hi

 Looking at census details for the family I have found they seem to relate to the villages just outside Leighton Buzzard that also staddle the Buck/Herts border.....ie Ivinghoe/ Ivinghoe Aston/ Pitstone and possibly Aldbury.
 I have found Sarah Green the widow remmaried to Edmund Corkett and living in Marsworth with Mary Agnes.
 Edmund Corkett married Sarah Green in Christ Church Marylebone in 1852 both stated or Christ Church Edmunds father William Corkett Sarah a widow fathers name Joseph Foster a baker.
 Witnesses Hannah Parkes and J Martin.

 Tazzie

[gwynd]

Hi Tazzie,  Thanks again, you are amazing. Where do you get all this information from?  As a result of what you found I've  traced Sarah & husband Edmund Corkett up to the 1881 census, together with a grandaughter Agnes Ellen Green b 1870 who is living with them. I think she is the daughter of Mary Agnes Green.   I wonder what the connection with Christ Church, Marylebone is as Benjamin Green b1831, one of the sons of George Green senior b 1791, also married there  on 4 March 1860.    Thanks very much once again.     Gwynd

[gwynd]

Hi,      I have now received the marriage certificate for George Finney Green and Sarah Foster.  As Tazzie said they married in Ivinghoe, Buckinghamshire,  on 26 July, 1838.  His father is confirmed as George Green, a wheelright which tallies with his 1841 census occupation so possibly we have the correct family.      To be a 100% sure is it possible for some kind  person to check the baptisms of George & Sarah's children in the Ivinghoe district. Birth years are approx, George 1816, Ann 1818, James 1820, Sarah 1826, William 1826, John 1827,  Benjamin 1831.    Thanks in anticipation,  Gwynd

[perthman]

Hi
My g.g.g.grandfather, John Green, was the tenant farmer at Crowhill Farm in Bolnhurst 1822-1841.
Curiously, of the six or seven farms in Bolnhurst, three were tenanted by Green families and a fourth had a Green living there. I have been trying to
work out if some or all of the families were related, or if it was just coincidence.

Another of the farms was Backnoe End Farm, of 250 acres, employing ten labourers. So substantial enough for the farmer, Samuel Green, to be well-to-do and
possibly of a mind to send his kids away for an education (not much in Bolnhurst).

The 1841 census shows his family as
* Green Samuel  40 Farmer Y
* Green Sophia  39        N
* Green William 12        Y
* Green Samuel   6        Y
* Green Rebecca  1        Y
where Y= born in Bedfordshire, N= not so.

The 1851 census lists the family as
* Green Samuel   Hd M   50 Farmer        BDF Bolnhurst
* Green Sophia   Wf M   50               HUN Gt Staughton
* Green Sarah     D -   24               BDF Bolnhurst       ***
* Green William   S Wid 22               BDF Bolnhurst
* Green Louisa    D -   21               BDF Bolnhurst       ***
* Green Benjamin  S -   19               BDF Bolnhurst       ***
* Green Samuel    S -   16               BDF Bolnhurst
* Green Rebecca   D -   11               BDF Bolnhurst
* Green Elisabeth D -    9               BDF Bolnhurst

So where were Sarah (then 14), Louisa (11) and Benjamin (9) in 1841?

1841 census: High Street, Kimbolton, Hunts.
* Cant Ann        70    Y
* Cant Fanny      78    Y
* Green Louisa    11    N   ***
* Dunn Emma       10    N
* Islip Elizabeth 10    Y
* Tropil Hannah   15 FS N

1841 census: America Square S, Leighton Buzzard, Beds
* Green George   25 Wheelwright N
* Green George   30 Wheelwright N
* Green Sarah    20             N
* Green Sarah    15             Y   ***
* Green James    20 Wheelwright Y
* Green Willm    15 Wheelwright Y
* Green John     14             Y
* Green Benjamin 10             Y   ***
* Green Mary      2             Y

I postulate that Samuel Green sent his daughter to board with two old ladies in Kimbolton to go to a school there, and sent Sarah and Benjamin to stay
with his relatives in Leighton Buzzard, to go to school there. One (both?) of the Georges is probably their uncle.
But it is only speculation!
(The census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk).
Regards
Perthman

[bedfordshire boy]

Welcome to Rootschat

Coincidentally two threads earlier on this board, Thurleigh Parish Records, at http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=665541.200 ,  started off with a previous tenant of Backnoe Farm, John Sabey. The thread seems to have covered virtually all families in Thurleigh and Bolnhurst, but I don't know if the Greens were mentioned.

When I get a moment I'll see what I can find about the Greens

David

[tazzie]

  Hi

 I have Benjamin Green b @ 1831 in the 1861 census he is married and living in London.
 Marriage record is
 Benjamin Green bach carpenter of Sandford St father George -wheelwright
 Louisa Purkiss spin  of Sandford St father John
 married St Marylebone Christ Church 4 March 1860.
 So he rules out being the son of Samuel the farmer from Bolnhurst.
 Sorry
 Tazzie

[tazzie]

  As for the 2 Sarah's on the 1841 census they are ...
 Sarah aged @20 who is married to George aged@25 whose marriage in on the thread earlier.
 The other Sarah aged @15 is the daughter of George snr his age is @50 but shown as 30 on the transcription
 in 1841 there is a 9 yr old Benj Green in Great Staughton -not born in county-  a pupil.
 HO107/454 BOOK 10
 I wonder if thats him.

 Tazzie

[perthman]

Thank you for the quick responses. I shall be interested to study the Thurleigh Parish Records threads.
Tazzie, I see now that my @30 is really @50. It makes the household structure clearer. I shall have to look elsewhere for Sarah and Benjamin.
I think you are probably right about Benjn Green in Great Staughton. With 17 other 9-17 year-olds resident and a school teacher living there or next door, it looks like a boarding school, and quite handy to Bolnhurst.
Sarah's of age 14 are in short supply in the 1841 census and perhaps these occupants of St Paul's Square, Bedford are what I am looking for:
* John Green 59
* Sarah Green 40
* Sarah Green 15
The ages could make sense as Father, Mother, Daughter. But the original indicates the young Sarah is a Female Servant (I think, it is very faint), surely an odd way to describe one's daughter. And I think the (awful) handwriting indicates born in county. Maybe she is working for her board while getting an education, and maybe she is related?
But I guess this is getting off-topic for this thread.
David

[bedfordshire boy]

I don't think it can necessarily be assumed that Sarah, 15, was a servant for John and Sarah. She could have been their daughter, lived at home with them, and worked as a servant for another family.