ORR & YOUNG

[aghadowey]

Can I just ask for clarification before following any more leads- " I have found no record for marriage although wife may have been called Elizabeth (Sparkes)" Are you sure that Tedford's wife's first name was Elizabeth?

[aghadowey]

Just tying up a loose end- Tedford Orr's brother Robert was alive in 1902 when he (Tedford) enlisted.

Possibly Robert- only problem is the family are Presbyterian rather than C. of I.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Pottinger/Oakdale_Street/1221036
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/Ravenscroft_Avenue/229174

Robert Orr (1869), blacksmith, m.(Oct./Dec.1889 Antrim) Mary Mina Graham.
1911- 9 children/6 living
1. Jemima/Mina Lynd (c1890)
2. Jennie/Jeannie Lynd (c1893)
3. Henry/Henry Graham (c1899)
4. Samuel (1900)
5. Marion (c1902)
6. John Graham (c1904)

Burial plot in Belfast City Cemetery- 1st three likely the 3 dead children mentioned in 1911 census-
Robert Orr, 2 4/12 yrs, 146 Albert Brdge Rd., 20 Feb.1894   
John Graham Orr, 12 months, 1 Crystal St., died 7 Dec.1897
Elizabeth Orr, 5 4/12 yrs , 18 Oakdale St, died 23 July 1900
Mary Orr, 62 yrs., 8 Ravenscroft Ave., died 22 Apr.1929
Marion Robinson Orr, 29 yrs., 8 Ravenscroft Ave., died 2 May 1932
Robert Orr, 83 yrs., 8 Ravenscroft Ave., died 21 Mar.1951

[aghadowey]

The ones in bold we have probably found in various records but that still leaves as few unaccounted for so far-

Eliza Young (c1849-1914) married (1866) Robert Orr (c1849-1888)
1911 census lists 9 children (all living)
1. Robert (1867) - possibly found in 1901 and 1911 see previous post
2. William John (1869-1940)
3. James (1872)- possibly found in 1901 and 1911 see next post
4. Mary Jane (1874-after 1931) m. Samuel Bailie (d.1931)- family.
5. Samuel (1876-1946)
6. Margaret "Maggie" (1879-1971 U.S.) m. ___ Masson.
7. Thetford (1882)
8. Arthur (c1885)- to U.S.
9. Sarah (c1887-1918)

Updated details added in blue

[aghadowey]

Note: reply #29 has been updated in view of the new information posted below-

Possibly James, son of Robert & Elizabeth (Young) Orr- notice the address from cemetery record for little Maisie's death!

Here's a James Orr the correct age, blacksmith, and born Co.Down- but also Presbyterian-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Ormeau/Euston_Street/1210075
Same family in 1911 but a few intersting bits of information-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Victoria__part_of_/Hills_Avenue/230699
James is now 'engine smith at works' and there's a son Arthur born in Fermanagh.

James Orr (c1872-aft.1911) m.(c1896) Mary Jane Campbell? (c1878-aft.1926)
Belfast City Cemetery- Maisie Orr (3 5/12) died 21 Aug.1915- address 1 Welland St.. Mary Jane Orr (82) died 20 July 1957- address 35 Upper Newtownards Road.
1. Agnes Victoria (July/Sept.1897 Belfast-aft.1911)
     ?  Death: Agnes Orr (20) Jan./Mar.1917 Belfast 1/357
2. William (c1899-aft.1911)
3. Sarah (c1902-aft.1911)
4. Margaret (c1904-aft.1911)
5. Arthur Thomas (Oct./Dec.1905 Lisnaskea district, Fermanagh)
    31 July 1926 “Regina” arr. Quebec from Belfast: Arthur Orr, 21, Co. Fermanagh, techinical engineering, uncle Neil McClelland Amherstburg Windsor Ontario, mother Mary Jane Orr 45 Upper Newtownards Rd Belfast.
6. Lizzie (c1908-aft.1911)
7. Maisie (1912-1915)

[aghadowey]

Eliza Young (c1849-1914) married (1866) Robert Orr (c1849-1888).
     Belfast Newsletter, 2 June 1888: ORR- June 1, at his residence, 15, Bread Street, Connswater, Belfast, Robert Orr, aged 44 years, deeply regretted. The remains of my beloved husband will be removed for interment in the Borough Cemetery, to-morrow (Sunday) afternoon, at half-past two o’clock. Friends will please accept this (the only) intimation. Eliza Orr
     Note: daughter Sarah only a toddler when Robert Orr died.
     Belfast City Cemetery: Robert Orr (39) 15 Bread St died 1 June 1888. Elizabeth Orr (61) 1 & 3 Welland St died 18 Jan.1914. Sarah Orr (31) 292 Albertbridge Rd, died 31 Mar.1918. William John Orr (70) died 28 Oct.1940 at Royal Victoria Hosp. home 20 Oakland Ave. Samuel Orr (69) died 28 Feb.1946 at 51 Lisburn Road home 153 Albertbridge Road

Sarah Orr-
     Death certificate: Sarah Orr, spinster, age 31, telephone operator, died 21 Mar.1918 at 292 Albertbridge Rd., pulmonary phthisis (12 months certified), brother-in-law Samuel Bailie of same address present at death.
     Belfast Newsletter, 2 Apr.1918: ORR- At the residence of her brother-in-law, 294, Albertbridge Road, Sarah (Cissie), youngest daughter of late Robert and Elizabeth Orr. Interment City Cemetery, leaving above address today (Tuesday), at 2 p.m. Deeply regretted. Samuel and M.J. Bailie; also, Brothers and Sisters

Samuel Orr-
     Service records- 1 + 3 Welland St. Belfast, age 37, farrier... discharge address 8 Church St. East Belfast

[aghadowey]

Nearly forgot Mary Jane 

Mary Jane Orr (1874-after 1931) m.(c1901) Samuel Bailie (c1871-1931)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Pottinger/Albertbridge_Road/1214465
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/Albertbridge_Road/219717
Bailie Samuel of 294 Albertbridge Road Belfast grocer died 19 May 1931 at The Royal Victoria Hospital Belfast Probate Belfast 23 June to Mary Jane Bailie the widow and Samuel Bailie grocer. Effects £368 0s. 9d.
1. Mary Elizabeth Bailie (c1904-aft.1911)
2. Samuel Bailie (c1910-aft.1931)
3. child d. bef.1911

[maggiemay13]

 Hello Again
Thanks for all that info.  I already had some of this stuff on my Ancestry tree but it's all coming together much better now.

Some responses.

The christian name Elizabeth comes from two sources; Sydney's statement & passenger list for P&O SS Strathaird from Tilbury in 1952.  The story goes that she died on her way out to visit Sydney.  I do not have any verification of this as yet.

Robert Orr and family is definitely Tedford's eldest brother as he is named with same address on Army papers in 1902.  Changing from CofI to Presbyterian/Methodist etc and vice versa was common enough over the years for one reason or another.  The whole family in Welland Street and surrounding area are listed as Presbyterian.

MM

[maggiemay13]

Can I just ask for clarification before following any more leads- " I have found no record for marriage although wife may have been called Elizabeth (Sparkes)" Are you sure that Tedford's wife's first name was Elizabeth?

Confirmed
ELizabeth Orr born Co Armagh, died on 13 September 1952 aged 77 on Strathaird bound for Melbourne.
Probable burial in Victoria Australia.
Possible birth regd. 1872 at Tartaraghan Armagh to William and Mary Sparks

Nothing on marriage or anything else so far.
MM

[aghadowey]

Brilliant news