Sarah Turner

[Gadget]

Yep - that's definitely the Brysons 

But where are the Turners 

John as a coachman in 1868 might have been the Innkeeper of 1851. Have you found any possibles for after 1851. I'll go check for deaths for him.

Gadget

[Gadget]

So far there is nothing that jumps out at me as a death for John. Neither parents were recorded as deceased on the cert.

Just seen that a witness was a George Berrill and the other was Williamina McRoe.

Now those names I recognise from that 1851 census as a granddaughter.

1851 census- gasstown, dumfries

william mcroe...age 61...tailor
janet...age 60
thomas...age 11...grandson
john...age 3...grandson
sarah turner...age 6...grand-daughter

That one is worth following Joe 

1851 census- leehouses, graitney

lowther berrill...age 54...fisherman
robert...brother...age 44...fisherman
agnes...sister...age 58...baker
mary...sister...age 48...housekeeper
ann...sister...age 45...baker
jane...nephew...age 25...baker
james bryson...age 4...grandson
george graham...age 2...grandson

[Gadget]

Just had a review.

The Berrill is from James Bryson's side and the McRoe is from Sarah's side 

Glad you came on, Joe. It made me go back to the cert for any clues 

Gadget

Will go and investigate the McRoes 

[runningbear]

hi pal,

same person spelt different...

1841 census- gasstown village

william mcnoe...age 50...tailor
janet...age 50
elizabeth...age 18
john...age 10
thomas...age 1
jean gourly...age 23
janet gourly...age 2


need to go fot the fitba....

catch up later..

Joe

[Gadget]

Only baptism so far that I can find with father William  is a John McNoe, s. of William McNoe and Janet Shand - 21 July 1830, Dumfries

Trying desperately to think of other variations of the surname.

I think I'll join you at the footie!

Gadget

[Gadget]

Think I may have found something on Wilhilmena/Williamina McNoe (witness) though on the IGI -

Dumfries 17 August 1873 Janet Sarah Turner McNoe. Mother Wilhelmina McNoe 


Many of the McNoes seem to have come from New Abbey, Kirkcudbrighshire including William , the grandfather.

Gadget

[hume]

Wilhelmina also had John Smith McNoe (born 1871). They are living with granny, Janet, in 1871, but there's no sign of Janet (1873). There's a daughter, Agnes, born c. 1820 in Gibraltar. Janet (c. 1790 in Burntisland) is a soldier's widow, so might explain why there's little baptisms in Scotland for their children.

hume24

Full entry:
Address: Annan Rd, Dumfries
Janet McNoe, f, head, 80, soldier's widow, Burntisland, Fifeshire
Agnes ", f, dau., 51, ag labourer, Gibraltar
Wilhelmina ", f, g-dau., 19, general serv, St Mary's, Dumfriesshire
Thomas ", m, g-son, 11, scholar, St Mary's, Dumfriesshire (son of Agnes)
John S Stundell, m, g-son, 2 months, -, St Mary's, Dumfriesshire

[Gadget]

Hmmmmmmmm  an interesting family 

But who was Sarah's mother - she must have been a McNoe/McRoe 

Janet (grandmother) was born Burntisland, Fife 

[hume]

I think I'm a bit confusing with them! Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm seeing it like this.

William McNoe/McRoe (circa 1790 in New Abbey, Dumfries) marries Janet Shand (circa 1790 also in Burntisland, Fife) on 5th June 1815 in Edinburgh. Her father is given as Peter Shand. They have a daughter (?), Mary, who marries John Turner, a coachman. They then have a daughter, Sarah who marries James Bryson.

  Think I've got it.

hume24