Family puzzle - LEE's / Mackle question? Ideas welcomed.

[DonnaMarie1982]

Hi all,

This one has been puzzling me like crazy so I thought I would put up a few bits and see if anyone can help me piece it together.

My grandfather Thomas James Clements is the son of Thomas James Clements (Born 1901 New York) and Mary Lee.

They were married in Magherafelt in 1921

Date of Marriage:   14-May-1921
Parish / District:   MAGHERAFELT (RG)      County:   Co. Derry
Husband      Wife
Name:   Thomas James   Clements      Mary   Lee
Address:   Ballyronan      Bellagherty Ballyronan
Denomination:   Registrar District      Registrar District
Occupation:   LABOURER      SERVANT
Age:         
Status:   Bachelor (Previously unmarried)      Spinster (Previously unmarried)
Husband's Father      Wife's Father
Name:   Thomas James   Clements         
Address:         
Denomination:         
Occupation:   LABOURER      
Husband's Mother      Wife's Mother
Name:               
Address:         
Denomination:         
Occupation:         
Witness 1      Witness 2
Name:   Aloysius   McKee      Annie   Collins
ST.PATRICK
BRIDES FATHER RECORDED AS UNKNOWN.


Mary Lee is my puzzle.

I know through the Family that there was Rachel Lee, Mary Lee and a Jack.

The only Rachel and Mary I can find listed in a census connected with a LEE are RachAel and Mary MACKLE living with Catherine Lee and Grandfather Ezekiel Lee. There is no record of a Rachel and Mary LEE in the census. (Catherine is listed as Kate transcribed often as Rate)

In the 1911 census Rachel is working as a servant in one household, Mary Lee in another. Both in the area of Magherafelt.

I am speculating that Rachel and Mary are the illegitimate children of a MACKLE. (Perhaps the Patrick Mackle who is boarding with another Mackle family nearby as he seems the only likely candidate based on age).

I have the birth Certificates for both Rachel Lee and Patrick Lee

Rachel Lee Date of Birth: 22-Jan-1893
    Date of Baptism: 1-Jan-0
Address: Bellagherty Parish/District: MAGHERAFELT (RG)
Gender: Female County Co. Derry
    Denomination: Registrar District
 
Father:   Mother: Catherine Lee
Occupation:     
 
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: Mary Lee Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:   
 
Notes: Catherine Lee occupation Servant.


However I can find no record of a MARY LEE daughter of Catherine Lee only a MINNIE LEE who again doesnt seem to appear on the census and has the same year of birth as Mary Lee if taken from the Mary Mackle on the 1901 census.

Civil Birth Record
Name: Minnie Lee Date of Birth: 14-Aug-1897
    Date of Baptism: 1-Jan-0
Address: Bellagherty Parish/District: MAGHERAFELT (RG)
Gender: Female County Co. Derry
    Denomination: Registrar District
 
Father:   Mother: Catherine Lee
Occupation:     
 
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: Catherine Lee Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:   
 
Notes:

Any thoughts and insights would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,

Donna

[gaffy]

In addition to the civil records you've shown, the RootsIreland website index shows 3 hits for children baptised as Mackle with mother's surname Lee which look very promising, even though the baptisms took place in Co. Tyrone, you may want to have a look (it's pay per view).

[gaffy]

And I imagine this is the mother and two siblings of Rachel and Mary in 1911:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/The_Loop/Ballyneil_More/615606/

[DonnaMarie1982]

Hi Gaffy,

Thanks for looking for me!

I looked at the 1911 census and thought perhaps the same on that one. It looks like Rachel and Mary have flown the nest and another 2 children have arrived.

I saw a note on another website when searching the names that Jack was bought up by Catherine Lees Half sister (from fathers first marriage) Mccarthey or maccartney. So going to see if I can pin him down next.

[familyroutes]

Hi ,
There are birth records for Minnie (which is the diminutive of Mary) born 1897...as well as Rachel b.1893  and Patrick b.1902. Then there's John (Jack)b.1909 (My aunt Mary was known as Minnie and my uncle John was Jack)
As gaffy points out, what seems to be the same 3 children (same birth years) but named Mackle (with father Patrick Mackle and mother Catherine Lee appear in Tyrone ... Baptism records
So maybe they were registered in one place and Baptised in another??

Catherine is described as single in both censuses.

Did you notice what looks like Mary's wedding witnesses living beside her:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Salterstown/Belagherty/614214/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Salterstown/Belagherty/614211/

[DonnaMarie1982]

Thank you (sorry for the late reply Ive been moving house and not online for a while)

No I hadn't noticed that about the witnesses, thank you for pointing it out. I agree I think they were registered in one place then taken the short distance to Tyrone to be baptized.

Thank you again

[aghadowey]

Births will be registered in the district in which the birth took place (birth certificate will list the actual place of birth and usually indicate if this is not the father's/family's usual residence).
If you look at a map (put in 'the loup' in Google) you will see that while Ballyneil is in County Londonderry (as the census records show) it is very close to the Co. Tyrone border. It may be that the R.C. parish covers an area in both counties and the site you are looking at has listed the records under Tyrone.