South Australia: Allen WEALE

[BAC3]

Alice Elizabeth Johnson WEALE was born in 1855 according to:

       http://www.genealogysa.org.au/index.php?option=com_search&Itemid=32

Her parents were Allen WEALE and Mary Harding JOHNSON.

My basic interest is Allen WEALE who was born in London either in 1830 or 1836, the actual date being difficult to establish.  Prior to 1855 I can produce a fairly comprehensive narrative of his life, but it is post-1855 that I would like to uncover further information.   Did he marry his daughter's mother or another woman and when did he die etc.?

I wonder if anyone can help?

For the moment thank you.

BAC3

[Jolee]

Do you know his parents names

[BAC3]

I believe his parents were William and Frances WEALE of St.Pancras, London

[giblet]

Alice Elizabeth's birth is reg. under both surnames.

1855   JOHNSON   Alice Elizabeth
1855   WEALE   Alice Elizabeth

both reg numbers the same ..  Adelaide   5/185

[cando]

The given names are different in the two registrations.

JOHNSON Alice Elizabeth
27 Jun 1855
Father Allen WEALE  Mother Mary Harding JOHNSON
At Adelaide  Ade  Symbols XS 5/185
Cross Reference - See also WEALE Alice Elizabeth Johnson

WEALE Alice Elizabeth Johnson
27 Jun 1855
Father Allen WEALE  Mother Mary Harding JOHNSON
At Adelaide  Ade Symbols XS  5/1885
Cross Reference See also JOHNSON Alice Elizabeth

X. Cross referenced Registration. Major Spelling Variation between Registar and Informant. Confusion butween given and surnames and ambiguity of which parents surname is to be used for the child.

S. Supplementary Information. Additional unusual information included on Registration.
·   Adelaide Destitute or Lunatic Asylum listed as Place of Birth.
·   Father died before child was born
·   Legitimation Act Re-registrations
·   Fathers Residence stated as well as mothers
·   Residence as stated and Birth Place are more than 50 km apart
·   Father entered as Jr or Sen.
·   Fuller details available re births at sea - longitude and latitude.
·   Evidence of previous residence enterred.
·   Final names reduced to initials due to space problems

Cando

[cando]

WEALE Allan was baptised 20 Jun 1830 at St Giles in the Fields, Holborn.  Parents William [coach trimmer] and Frances. Residence 5 Beaumont Place, St Pancras.

Allen WEALE in court for theft 1853
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01dlq/

In court accused of breaking and entering
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01dlr/

Did he return to England?

1871 Census  RG10/712/59/18
Living at 43 Mill Place, Wandsworth
[Lodging house with many residents]
WEALE Allen  Lodger  Unm  40 years  Hawker  Born London

1881 Census  RG11/659/18/29
Living at 9 Brodies Buildings, Wandsworth
WEALE Allen  Head  Unm  50 years  Shoemaker  Born Mdx London
WHELAN Elizabeth  Housekeeper  47 years  Unm  Washerwoman  Born Ireland

1891 Census RG12/450/42/40
Living at 29 Iron Mill Road, wandsworth
WEALE Allan  Head  60 years  Single  Retired Shoemaker  Born St Martins, London
WHELAN Elizabeth  Housekeeper  57 Single  Born Co Tralee, Ireland.

Deaths Jun 1893
WEALE Allen  65 years  London 10d/412

Buried 13 Apr 1893, Norwood Cemetery, Norwood Road, Lambeth.
WEALE Allen  The Bell Coffee Tavern   13 Apr 1893  65 years.
Re-used graves.

Cando

[BAC3]

Thank you all for your help.

I had seen the possibility from the Census entries that Allen WEALE had returned to England but could not find any reference to a UK inward passenger listing to confirm my thoughts.  I had registered the TROVE extracts but they were prior to 1855 and his daughter's birth.   GenealogySA indicated there were no further records and as I am not familiar with that Index at all I felt a posting would do no harm, especially after I unearthed the marriage of William Vaughan WEALE in 1914......WEALE is quite an uncommon name.

I wonder what happened to his daughter?   Probably abandoned, a condition not unknown in those harsh times.

Once again, thank you

BAC3

[BAC3]

I came across the following article printed in The Bristol Mercury and Daily Post dated 10/04/1893:

        A fire occurred yesterday in Upper Tooting road, London, and when the outbreak
        was extinguished the charred remains of Allen WEALE, aged 70, were found amongst
        the ruins.

This reference cannot be ignored, even allowing for the quoted age, as the 1891 Census has him living in Wandsworth and the general area of the Upper Tooting Road.

For the moment,

BAC3[/font]

[sparrett]

The Electoral Rolls for the Wandsworth area show-

1890 to 1893
WEALE, Allen. 21 Iron Mill Rd, Wandsworth.

An electoral roll registration does not of course  mean one was necessarily there.

Housekeeper Elizabeth WHELAN, of course, does not show registration as women were not voting in England at that time.

Sue