Albert and Annie Bartrup

[lizdb]

Possible

Death
John Bartrop.  Age 0
Jan/feb/mar 1879
Camberwell
Ref 1 d. 601

[luckynumber12]

I might have a lead on Annie!

After trying yet again to find some sort of reference to an Amy Alice Clack and yet again getting nowhere, I suddenly wondered if her last name might have been Clark and not Clack, and perhaps it was an error in transcription. So I started searching for Amy Clark (putting in her middle name didn't give many results) and I found one record that might be promising... in the 1881 census, there is a 1 year old Amy Clark living with her parents and two siblings. Her father's name is John E Clark, and her mother's name is... wait for it... Annie Clark!! The only thing is, her place of birth is listed as Chelsea, and I have my Annie's place of birth as Canning Town... but Chelsea is still in Middlesex, so not too far to rule out by any means If this is the correct Amy Clark I'm looking for, then perhaps she called herself Annie after her mother? I think it warrants further investigation at least

[lizdb]

Maybe, maybe not.
Annie Clark is not an unusual name, after all. So there are bound to be loads around.

[suzard]

I might have a lead on Annie!

After trying yet again to find some sort of reference to an Amy Alice Clack and yet again getting nowhere, I suddenly wondered if her last name might have been Clark and not Clack, and perhaps it was an error in transcription. So I started searching for Amy Clark (putting in her middle name didn't give many results) and I found one record that might be promising... in the 1881 census, there is a 1 year old Amy Clark living with her parents and two siblings. Her father's name is John E Clark, and her mother's name is... wait for it... Annie Clark!! The only thing is, her place of birth is listed as Chelsea, and I have my Annie's place of birth as Canning Town... but Chelsea is still in Middlesex, so not too far to rule out by any means If this is the correct Amy Clark I'm looking for, then perhaps she called herself Annie after her mother? I think it warrants further investigation at least

I think it is Annie Clack you should be looking for
Her p.o.b. is consistent - until you purchase one of the children's birth certs you won't be certain of her maiden name
also it is quite possible "Amy" is a transcription error on the marriage reg
It would be interesting to see what the name is on the marriage cert

The Annie Clack found  with her brother George in 1891 and with brother and sister and mother Hannah in 1901 looks (to me) like she is the Annie who is listed as Albert's wife on census

1881 census has a 2 wk(think its week -will have another look)old Annie brooks - but also in same dwelling is George & wife Rachel Clack and daughter Hannah Muspratt
Here's where the complication is
I think this is how it is???
Hannah Muspratt -I think- is Hannah Clack who is the mother of Annie, George & Rosie Clack in 1901
Hannah Muspratt is listed as daughter of George  & Rachel Clack in 1881
I think Hannah Muspratt is the daughter of William Henry Muspratt & Rachel Wheeler.
William Henry Muspratt died in 1861 and his wife Rachel married George Clack

Need to do a little more searching on this

What do you think??

Suz

[suzard]

These marriage may be of Annie's grandmother -Rachel Wheeler/Muspratt/Clack

Marriage
5 Aug 1851 Wycombe Bucks
William Henry Muspratt
father Richard Muspratt
married
Rachel Wheeler

Parish register -marriage entry 35
St Anns Limehouse Mx
after Banns by Edward Day
George Henry Clack full age Bachelor Labourer Margaret Place Father John Clack
Rachel Muspratt full age Margaret Place father William Wheeler occ Bricklayer
George signed Rachel made her mark
witnesses John Blackstone - made his mark
Hannah Blackstone -signed

Suz

[jan57]

Dec 21st 1862  is the  marriage  date ,  Rachel is  a widow  George a  bachelor ,   transcribed as George Henry Clark  ,   but image  ( to me ) says Clack

[jan57]

[quote1881 census has a 2 wk(think its week -will have another look)old Annie brooks - but also in same dwelling is George & wife Rachel Clack and daughter Hannah Muspratt][/quote]

 The original1881    image   has a   single  line  between Annie Brooks aged 2 weeks  and George Clack   indicating there are 2  families  living  in same  dwelling,    Annie  is  daughter to Henry and Mary Brooks

[jan57]

 A puzzle  though , Suz,  as   place of birth  differs 

  1881   Hannah Muspratt    born Colbrook, Berkshire, England

 1901  Hannah Clack     born Bow  London 

[suzard]

1881 I wondered if Annie had been mistakenly entered with other family - can't find a birth reg for her

This looks like Rachel -mother of Hannah
1861
14 High St Marylebone MX
Rachel Muspratt Head widow 29 no business High Wycombe Bucks (transcribed as Muspbratt)
Hannah Muspratt daughter 8 Colnbrook Bucks (transcribed as Emma!!!)
RG9 71 4 4

1871
(transcribed as & image reads "Clarke")
6 Roscoe St W ham Essex
George Clarke head M 48 lab Shadwell Mx
Rachel wife 39 High Wycombe Bucks
RG10 1632 28 51

Possible birth reg for Hannah
FreeBMD
Hannah Muspratt
Dec qtr 1852
Bucks
3a 328

Suz

1871
(transcribed as -and image reads as "Clarke")
6 Roscoe St West Ham
George Clarke head M 48 labourer