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Birth of James Beggs, 1752, Carulla Parish
« on: Monday 24 February 14 17:42 GMT (UK) »
Hello,
According to recently acquired information from Maryland, USA, the father of my Thomas Beggs (who married Margaret Boyd) was James Beggs. His gravestone in Maryland says he was from Carulla Parish. Other info says he was from Carnlea. Can anyone tell me if Carnlea is in Carulla Parish, and where exactly is Carulla Parish? What town would the church be located in? I did google Carulla Parish and nothing came up.
Now I know why Thomas' wedding announcement said he was from Baltimore. I gather that some of the siblings emigrated to Maryland but Thomas obviously returned. I have the will of Thomas' brother John and he named all the children of my Thomas as beneficiaries so I know that I have the correct family. John also named the children of his brother Robert in Ireland and they are all the same names as I have. Whether James emigrated initially or joined the family later, I don't know.
Thanks for any help.
Peggy
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Re: Birth of James Beggs, 1752, Carulla Parish
« Reply #1 on: Monday 24 February 14 18:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi Peggy,

A townland named "Carnlea" lies within the parish of "Kirkinriola".
Perhaps "Carulla" was a colloquialism for the latter.
http://applications.proni.gov.uk/geogindx/parishes/par193.htm

However, it also appears to have a cousin within the Parish of Rashee.
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=placeSearch
http://applications.proni.gov.uk/geogindx/parishes/par234.htm

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CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

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Re: Birth of James Beggs, 1752, Carulla Parish
« Reply #2 on: Monday 24 February 14 19:20 GMT (UK) »
Thanks, Whuttle.  According to the rest of the family history, the Parish of Rashee seems more appropriate. However, the transcription of the gravestone in Maryland, USA says Parish of Carulla. Personally, from the photo, I can't make out even one word.  The family tree from Maryland just says Carnlea, no parish mentioned. James was born 1752 and his wife was Jane (I don't know if Jane went to Maryland). His first child was also James born Jan 1, 1792 and died Feb 20, 1873, and his will says he was from Ballyvoy. Second child was Robert born Mar 6, 1794 and tree says born Brookfield.  According to Robert's will, he was of the townland of Ballyvoy in the parish of Kilbride and he had land in Carnlea and a field called Moiragh=bog. Robert's two youngest children are recorded as being born Brookfield and 3 oldest Drummadara. Does that make sense to anyone? Until I make it to Ireland, these are all just names.
Thanks again,
Peggy
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Re: Birth of James Beggs, 1752, Carulla Parish
« Reply #3 on: Monday 24 February 14 22:44 GMT (UK) »
Peggy,

Drumadarragh is a townland within the parish of Kilbride.
http://applications.proni.gov.uk/geogindx/parishes/par162.htm

Brookfield is a hamlet a few miles due North of the town of Doagh.
It lies within the townland of Burnside, within the parish Kilbride.
It has connections with the East Antrim Hunt.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=629229.msg4799891#msg4799891

It lies immediately West of the townland of Rashee, which itself lies within the parish of Rashee.
http://applications.proni.gov.uk/geogindx/parishes/par234.htm

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Ballyvoy is a townland within the parish of Culfeightrin.
[However, this is in the far North of Co. Antrim.]

Perhaps this might be an old name, or a mis-transcription, of the townland of "Ballywee" which straddles the parishes of Kilbride & Donegore ...
http://applications.proni.gov.uk/geogindx/parishes/par081.htm
http://applications.proni.gov.uk/geogindx/parishes/par103.htm

All visible (with a bit of patient firtling)  via the Griffith's placename search.
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=placeSearch

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So, if the parishes of Rashee & Kilbride are where your action is, the "Carulla" remains a mystery ...

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CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

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Re: Birth of James Beggs, 1752, Carulla Parish
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 25 February 14 00:11 GMT (UK) »
The subject of where Ballyvoy is, came up before. Apparently, there is another Ballyvoy also called Duncansland which is in the barony of Upper Antrim, Civil Parish of Kilbride. Which doesn't help with Carulla unless that is a mistake/mistranscription/misspelling/misinformation/whatever. Burnside is mentioned as the birthplace of Mary Lawson Beggs, daughter of John Lawson Beggs and Jane Beggs (Jane is the daughter of Robert Beggs, Sr.) whereas I have Brookfield for all the other children of John and Jane. Mary was likely born then in Brookfield like her siblings. I am now thinking the family tree info from Maryland with the birthplace of James as Carnlea seems likely as his son Robert had land in Carnlea. Maybe came by it via his father James who later went to Maryland.
This recent information from Maryland helped me to understand how my Thomas was recorded as being from Baltimore. I was wondering how he and Margaret Boyd ever got together if she was born England and he was from Baltimore but probably he emigrated and then returned to Ireland whereas Margaret went to where her grandmother Jenny Boyd lived in the parish of Rashee.
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Re: Birth of James Beggs, 1752, Carulla Parish
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 26 February 14 03:40 GMT (UK) »
I have written to familysearch, to rootsireland, and irish times, asking about Carulla Parish. Hopefully, someone will have some information on this parish and reply soon.
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Re: Birth of James Beggs, 1752, Carulla Parish
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 26 February 14 19:30 GMT (UK) »
The parish names in Co Antrim are well known and can be traced back to the 1600s without too much difficulty. I have never heard of Carulla, and am fairly sure it has never existed. I agree with the Whuttle that it’s probably Kirkinriola. If you say that to an unfamiliar ear, it would sound a bit like Carulla. I suspect that Carulla is a misunderstanding or transcription error for  Kirkinriola.
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Re: Birth of James Beggs, 1752, Carulla Parish
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 26 February 14 23:48 GMT (UK) »
Peggy,

Think that Carulla is definitely a red herring.
[Parish names do not change much, and there is nothing close in spelling.]

The basic "homeland" area in Ireland was the townland, and this is what most folks would have remembered.

Given the florid scriptive writing of the time, it is not beyond reason that "Carnlea" might have been mistranscribed on to the memorial as "Carulla".
[Or, vice versa, that an attempted transcription of "Carnlea" from off the worn stone's surface might have produced "Carulla".]

So, perhaps the mistake might have been as mis-interpreting the name of the place of origin as a parish (as would be the case for e.g. England) rather than as a townland ...?

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I had a look at the OS Memoirs, and it threw up some interesting light:

Parish of Kilbride

... large cotton mill in the townland of Burnside, used for [spinning flax].
... large bleach mill in Drumadarragh townland (called the Fence) ... not in use at present.
... 1831 census ... [mentions Burnside, Douglassland & Duncansland, but not Ballyvoy.]
... Gentlemen's Seats
   ... "Ballyvoy", residence of John Owens, Esq., J.P. in the townland of Owensland ...
   ... "Brookfield", residence of Thomas Lyle, Esq. in the townland of Burnside ...
   ... "Drummadarragh", residence of George Langtry, Esq., in the townland of Drumadarragh ...
... Mills ...
   ... Brookfield mill, flax spinning, 20 men, 30 women, Burnside townland;
   ... Springvale mill, flax spinning, 6 men, 64 women, Drumndarragh townland;
   ... beetling mill, Ballyhamage townland;
   ... corn mill, Ballywee townland;
   ... flax [linen weaving] mill, Ballywee.

No church in the parish.
Parish is conjoined with Donegore and Grange of Nilteen in the CoI structure.
The parish church is in Donegore.

Colonised by Scottish settlers in the 16th & 17th centuries, particularly 1610-1641.
They gave their names to the townlands.
Kilbride is included in the manor of Moylinny, the Marquis of Donegall being lord of the manor.
Many leases were renewed [or not] in 1805.
Many of the land rentals were granted in perpetuity to tenants in 1824 for nominal yearly sums.

"The general character of the people is that of a bigoted race of republicans ..."
"They are by no means a temperate or abstemious race."
"Their manners are by no means pleasing."
"They would make very good soldiers, but scarcely anything could induce them to enlist."
"Some of the females are really handsome ..."
"Within the last 7 years not more than 20 individuals have emigrated ..."

P.151 "In Brookfield, in the townland of Ballyvoy, there is another spinning mill which is also the property of Messrs Watts and Lyle"
[as was Springvale, both established ~1821.]

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So, suggest that you want to get your hands on:

Parish of Kilbride, County Antrim
Statistical Report by Lieutenant Edward Durnford, October 1832
pp. 135-157

... part of this publication  ...

ORDNANCE SURVEY
MEMOIRS OF IRELAND
PARISHES OF COUNTY ANTRIM XI
1832~3, 1835~9
Antrim Town and Ballynure
Vol.29
Eds. Angelque Day & Patrick McWilliams
The Institute of Irish Studies, The Queens's University of Belfast
ISBN 0-85389-518-X

Available from e.g. the book shop of the Ulster Historical Foundation http://www.booksireland.org.uk/

Hope that lights your fire for today!
Capt. Jock
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family origins from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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Re: Birth of James Beggs, 1752, Carulla Parish
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 27 February 14 04:15 GMT (UK) »
I have to agree that Carulla is probably a mistake of some sort. Thanks all for your input. A book on the history of Maryland also has James as being from Carulla Parish but perhaps that was also taken from the gravestone. The Irish times has replied to say they are not aware of Carulla Parish.
Peggy
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