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Offline sandir03

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Hi,
   I am researching my grandparents (HOCKLEY/O’NEAL) both born in  India.
My grandmother’s father was Thomas Tollemache Hockley b. 28 Nov 1854 in Murree, Bengal, India married Ellen Phoebe Garvan b. abt 1864 in Mhow, Indore, India – married 27 Apr 1885 in Byculla, India.

Ellen’s father was Callaghan Garvan (Callahan Garvin) b. 1827 – 1830 in Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland, d. 18 Oct 1885 in Bombay, India. He married Ellen Reilly (Hellena / Relly ?) b. abt 1837 in ??.  and d. 10 Oct 1872 in India – married 24 Jul 1851, Ahmednuggar, India. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGVT-2ZT

Information about Callaghan –

1.   Callaghan Garvan, "United Kingdom, Chelsea Pensioners' Service Records, 1760-1913" - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5C9-FLX

2.   Transcription of Marriage Indexes 1709 – 1893 - http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_detail.php?id=170162

3.   Register of European Soldiers of the EIC Armies - Bombay Soldiers Records 1840-1850 A-K http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_detail.php?id=768388

  Entry from Bombay Soldiers Records 1840-1850 A-K
  Entered the Service         1849     
  Surname               Garvan     
  Forename(s)                    Callaghan     
  Rank or Situation            Gunner 4th Company 2nd Battalion Artillery     
  Occupation before Enlisting      Labourer     
  Town and County                 Rathkeale, Limerick     
  Where first enlisted         Limerick     
  Date of Attestation         11 April 1849     
  Term of enlisted service      12 years     
  In what ship arrived from Europe, or Service Entertained      Owen Glendower     
  Year of Arrival or When that service entertained         1849     
  Remarks                  Volunteered to Royal Artillery 1861     
  IOR Reference   L/MIL/12/111     

4.   When his daughter Ellen married Thomas T. in April 1885 in India, Callaghan was noted as
“..Register Entry: April 27th at Byculla Thomas Tollemache Hockley son of the late Major Julius Joseph Hockley to Ellen Phoebe (Nelly) second daughter of MR C Garvan of HM's House of Correction....”   
             
5.   Notes from my late grandmother –
Born Rathkeal Limerick Ireland - no date
Enlisted Limerick 11 April 1849 as Gunner 2nd Battalion Artillery (Aged 22)
Embarked for Bombay on Owen Glendower  (a ships name)  21 July 1849
Volunteered to Royal Artillery 1861 in India

6.   Miscellaneous notes –
I hold a copy of his Army discharge papers, dated 31-8-1869, which indicates that he joined &  served some 22yrs 5mths with the British Forces, 14.5yrs with the East India Artillery followed by some 8.1 yrs with the Royal Artillery & described as a labourer. There is some conflict about his actual date of birth. On his marriage certificate the names of Henry Vapy  & A. Cavanagh  (who is this?) appear as witnesses. The Bride appears to have been about 14 yrs & 7 mths. The marriage took place in Ahmednuggar, about 100 mls East of Bombay.

On the Gravestone of he & his wife's grave is written "also to the Memory of her grandchildren  Minnie, Clifford & Alma Nelson". It also mentions that she was 34yrs 10 months of age giving her a birth date of about Dec 1837 which gives her an age of 14 1/2 yrs at her marriage.?


I would really like to find out some more information about Callaghan Garvan and his family in Ireland before he left for India in 1849 – his birth date, siblings/family members, grandparents, why would he have left Ireland for India, did any other members of his family go to India, etc. Any other information would be appreciated.

Thanking you in advance,
   Sandi


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Re: Looking for information on GARVAN family from Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland
« Reply #1 on: Monday 28 April 14 04:44 BST (UK) »
hi,,just wondered if you knew of Callaghans daughter  Catherine b 1852   died 1854 ?
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   OHora,MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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Re: Looking for information on GARVAN family from Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland
« Reply #2 on: Monday 28 April 14 04:52 BST (UK) »
there is a service record  {brief one}  for a Callaghan Garvan b 1800   Rathkeal   served till 1822 in the 1st Life guards,,,,could be his father ?
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   OHora,MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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Re: Looking for information on GARVAN family from Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland
« Reply #3 on: Monday 28 April 14 09:50 BST (UK) »
Hi,
    I do have the following information on possible children of Callaghan Garvan -

     1. Catherine Garvan - b. Abt. 1852 in India, d. 19 Aug 1854 in Bombay, India
         https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGTM-7JN
            Callaghan Garvan in entry for Catherine Garvan, "India Deaths and Burials, 1719-1948"

     2. Mary Anne Garvan - b. Abt. 1855 in India, d. Oct 1857 in Bombay, India
         https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGTC-V2Z -
            Mary Anne Garvan, "India Deaths and Burials, 1719-1948"

     3. Ellen Phoebe Garvan - b. Abt 1864 in Mhow, Indore, India, d. 09 Sep 1907 in Bombay,
          India.  Married Thomas Tollemache Hockley.

     4.  Isabella Adelina Garvin - b. 06 Feb 1868 in Bombay, India, d. ???
          https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGHR-5NL -
             Isabella Adelina Garvin, "India, Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947"


     Re: "there is a service record  {brief one}  for a Callaghan Garvan b 1800   Rathkeal   served till 1822 in the 1st Life guards,,,,could be his father ?"

      I don't know - it sounds promising with the father's name also being Callaghan. What are the 1st Life guards and was it in Ireland?

      I did find this though - (the possible father)

       https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5HP-P6V -
         Callaghan Garvan, "United Kingdom, Chelsea Pensioners' Service Records, 1760-1913"

          Name: Callaghan Garvan 
          Event Type: Pension 
          Event Year Range: 1760-1913 
          Event Place: United Kingdom 
          Birthplace: Limerick 
          Birth Year (Estimated): 1800 

          Citing this Record
"United Kingdom, Chelsea Pensioners' Service Records, 1760-1913," index and images,       FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5HP-P6V : accessed 28 Apr 2014), Callaghan Garvan, ; citing "Chelsea Pensioners' Service Records 1760-1913," Brightsolid; WO 97, WO97, The National Archives, Kew, Richmond.

      Can anymore information be found from this Pensioner Service record?

      I also found this in Ancestry, but I don't have access so I can't see any of the information -

          "Possible matches for Callaghan Garvan"
           Record Type
           Information found in record
           New South Wales, Australia, Assisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1828-1896
           Immigration & Travel
           Name  Callaghan Garvan
           Birth:  year
           Origin:  location
           Arrival:  date
 
 
Regards,
      Sandi





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Re: Looking for information on GARVAN family from Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland
« Reply #4 on: Monday 28 April 14 23:45 BST (UK) »
Catherine is a DEFINITE,,,,,I have seen the original burial record,,,states  "daughter of Callaghan Garvan...soldier.
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   OHora,MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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Re: Looking for information on GARVAN family from Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 08 May 14 02:05 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the all the information - much appreciated.

Thought I'd link this to the information I have about the Garvan's in Australia - looks like quite a few family members migrated there, though I'm still working on the family links.

Australia Forum - Looking for information on Callaghan Garvan’s arrival in NSW about 1832 - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=686052.0


Regards,
Sandi