David Thomas Jones of Lampeter

[bairnj]

I would be very grateful if anyone could help me out with trying to trace by GGrandafthers family.

I have been searching for this family for a few years, but the majority of my research in Scotland (where i live) and I don't know where to start with Welsh records.

The details I have for him are:

David Thomas Jones, son of David Morgan Jones (grocer) and Elizabeth Evans. The family are led to believe that he was born in Lampeter in 1897 - he is also supposed to died at Sea, although I have found no record whatsosver of his death. 

He was married in Scotland in 1916, they had a daughter, Jean, my grandfather, David Morgan Jones, was born in 1920 and we do not know how long his father was around for.  I have since found out that my Ggran remarried, but not until 1950.

Anyhelp or advice on where to start looking would be absolutely amazing.  I've always been very proud of my welsh roots and would love to know more. 

Thanks again.  (I hope I've posted this in the correct category)

Gillian

[osprey]

well, I've been having a good look around and was getting nowhere until I checked the 1911 and found a match on names and father's occupation in Lampeter, only problem being that David Thomas Jones is 14, so born 1897.

Same family in 1901
Glyn, Llanfihangel Ystrad, Cardiganshire RG13/5150 folio 84 pg 8
David M Jones head mar 42 egg merchant
Elizabeth wife 34
John M son 6
David T son 4
Evan R son 1
Jane dau 10 days
Florence L J Davies niece 18 dom servant b. Liverpool
all born Llanfihangel Ystrad unless otherwise stated

likely marriage reg
David Jones dec qtr 1891 Aberayron vol 11b pg 83 with Elizabeth Evans the only other on the page

2 possible birth regs, but both on same page
David Thomas Jones dec qtr 1896 Aberayron vol 11b pg 40
David Thomas Jones march qtr 1897 Aberayron vol 11b pg 40

death reg for father
David M Jones 72 june 1931 Lampeter vol 11b pg 50

 

[osprey]

I've just had a look at his marriage on Scotland's People, and he was 19 at time of marriage, so born 1897 and matches with the one I found.

I've never seen a marriage by Sheriff's Warrant before. What's the background to that?

David Morgan Jones is a widower on the 1911 census, so that fits with the marriage cert as well.

 

[bairnj]

Osprey,

Thank you very much for that information.

It's great.  i apologise for the error of date 1887 you are coreect and it should have been 1897.

This will let me try and find out a little bit more about him.  I have two stories about his death (1) He died at sea and (2) He left his wife and two young children and emigrated to America.  My gradfather died before I was born, and my dad was only fourteen at the time so doesn;t remember any of this at all.

I'll keep hunting - once again thanks.


Osprey - The Sherrifs Warrant seems to be for an 'irregular marriage' which was a marriage outwith the church.  Civil cemeromies weren't held in Scotland as they were in England so this was the only way they could do it - they then had to present their marriage to the sherrif or regsitrar for entry eithin theproper records. (This is what I've found out so far anyway:))

[osprey]

think I may have found David senior in 1891

Old Shop, Llanfihangel Ystrad RG12/4556 folio 122 pg 3
Anne Davies widow 55 farmer b. Llanarth
Catherine Jones dau 26 b. Llanfihangel Ystrad
David Jones son 32 corn merchant b. Llanfihangel Ystrad

His occupation ties in with in 1911 - grocer & corn merchant, but I'm struggling to get any further back without details of his father from marriage cert.

 

edited typo!

[bairnj]

Hi Osprey,

I have requested copies of the birth and marriage certificates.  I will let you know how I get on when I receive these.

A huge thank you for your help so far, you have help me achieve in just a few days what I have been trying to do for years.

Once again thanks x

[bairnj]

I've just received birth and marriage certficates;

David Thomas Jones born January 20th 1897 Bank Villa, Llanfihangel Ystrad.

Born to David Jones Butter Merchant and Elizabeth Jones formerly Evans.  His birth was registered 11th March 1897.


Marriage Certificate for David Jones and Elizabeth Evans (parents of David Thomas Jones)
Married The Parish Church, in the Parish of Llanfihangel Ystrad in the County of Cardigan. 

David Jones Aged 32, Bachelor, Corn & Flour Merchant Residence Old Shop.  fathers name Morgan Jones, Labrouer
Elizabeth Evans Aged 24, Spinster, Residence Board School House. Father David Evans, Inn Keeper.

Any further help on any of this family, would be great.

Thanks

Gillian

[osprey]

oh that falls together well doesn't it? And details match families I had my eye on

1861 Troedrhiwfallon, Llanfiahngel Ystrad RG9/4193/ folio 71 pg 66
Anne Jones wfie 34 labourer's wife
Mary dau 7
Anne dau 6
Evan son 3
David son 2
all born Llanfihangel Ystrad

1871 Bwlchgwynt RG10/5558 folio 6 pg 5
Anne Jones wife mar 45 farmer of 11 acres
Ann dau 16
Elinor dau 15
Evan son 14
David son 13
John son 10
all born Llanfihangel Ystrad

next door
Clock Inn
David Evans head mar inn keeper 57 b. Llanfihangel Ystrad
Anne wife 52 b. Llanrhystud
Elizabeth dau 4 b. Lanfihangel Ystrad
Jane Davies step dau 27 b. Llanrhystud

1881 Mynach Arms RG11/5443 folio 45 pg 13
Anne Walters head mar 61 publican b. Llanrhystud
Elizabeth Evans dau 14 b. Llanfihangel Ystrad

likely marriage
Anne Evans june qtr 1874 Aberayron vol 11b pg 63 with David Walters the only other on the page

IGI extracted baptism in batch C082471 for Llanfihangel Ystrad
Elizabeth bp 18/1/1867 dau of David & Anne Evans
No other siblings in the batch

[osprey]

David's sister Elinor who isn't with the family in 1861 looks to with her grandparents

1861 Bwlchgwynt RG9/4193 folio 57 pg 10
David Hughes head mar 62 tailor b. Llanarth
Anne wife 65 b Ystrad
Elinor Jones grand dau 4 b. Ystrad

1851 Bwlchgwynt HO107/2484 folio 149 pg 10
David Hughes head mar tailor b. Llanarth
Anne wife 57
Anne dau 25 at home out of service
Evan son 23 tailor
David son 21 tailor
Thomas son 13
Evan Davies father-in-law widower 93 pauper formerly ag lab b. Carmarthenshire, Llanybydder
Jenkin Jones journeyman 19 tailor
all born Llanfihangel Ystrad except where stated

Given the father-in-law's surname, I wondered about this marriage
David Hughes to Ann Davies 23/4/1821 in Llanarth

There should be a marriage for Anne Hughes to Morgan Jones after 1851, but I haven't spotted one as yet. There is this one though

Anne Hughes sept qtr 1854 Aberayron vol 11b pg 83 with Timothy Jones the only other on the page