help with my irish family tree please

[genseacher]

Hi Bob

I take it this the family in Census 1911, Peter, Paddy and Tom Murphy with mother Ann Murphy aged 60 who is a recorded a widow, and also listed are grand children

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Westmoreland_Park/51273/

I have found another entry in 1901 but this one I cant be sure there is a connection
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Leeson_Park_Avenue/1292434/

Regards
Genseacher

[genseacher]

Hi Bob
I just want to refer to the census links below as I said the 1901 census link I found, May not be a connection as I can not be sure. I would not dwell on this much until you get more concrete backup.
But do hold onto and keep it in your records.

I have found another entry in 1901 but this one I cant be sure there is a connection
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Leeson_Park_Avenue/1292434/

The 1911 census I think could be Thomas Murphy born 1888 1889 1890, with brothers Peter and Paddy.  I note from the census that Peter Murphy (b approx. 1872) is a lot older aged 39 than his sibling brothers and their mother is recorded as Ann Murphy widow.

I would suggest that you have a look at the 1911 census where the murphys are living and look at who are their neighbours maybe you might recognise another surname which might be a family name.

Am  I right in saying that Thomas Murphy b approx. 1888-1890 married a Mary Ann Duffy if so I have found a match for a marriage of
Thomas Murphy and Mary Duffy
Year 1921
Jan to Mar 1921
Dublin South
Vol 2
Page 637

You can order a photo copy of marriage cert from GRO Roscommon costs 4 euros, it maybe the right one I cannot say. But the marriage cert will give the names of both fathers of groom and bride, addresses and occupations of both. Its up to you!!!

What I can suggest to you is that you sit down with your relatives and write everything down no matter how small you think it is i.e. someone might say oh yea johnny soso was in the army, was in prison was involved in 1916 rising etc, keep a note of everything .

If you can add anything more do please.

Regards
Genseacher

[bobdunford6]

i have been in touch with the cemetry where the family tree of murphys are buried with all the dates of death and birth and attestant who were there at the burial.
it reads
the murphy family grave
the general cemetery company of Dublin telephone number for enquirers o1 497 1269
mount Jerome house 158 Harold cross road Dublin 6w
plot A85-613-22730

                               LIST OF MURPHY FAMILY NAMES IN GRAVE
NAME               DATE OF     AGE     PLACE OF DEATH    ATTEST ANT          BIRTH DATE
OD DECEASED   DEATH   
THOMAS           13 DEC 1937 48     SIR PATRICK DUNN    MARY MURPHY                1890
MURPHY                                         HOSPITAL.DUBLIN    28 MONASTERBOLCE RD
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PETER            8TH JAN 1943   71   DUBLIN UNION          MICHAEL MURPHY             1872
MURPHY                                         HOSPITAL                1 WESTMORELAND STREET
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THOMAS        30TH SEPT 1956  33     ST KEVIN.S             PATRICK FRANCIS.MURPHY   1923
MURPHY                                           HOSPITAL               122 KEOGH SQUAURE INCHICORE
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MRS MARY     4TH NOV 1982     82     ST JAMES               N/A                                        1900
MURPHY                                           HOSPITAL
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MARY ANN      2ND FEB 1999     72     ST JAMES                N/A                                         1927
MURPHY                                            HOSPITAL     
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                                    CREMATED ASHES IN GRAVE
PATRICK         6TH APRIL 2003    78     ST JAMES                  WILLIAM MURPHY  BROTHER    1925
MURPHY                                            HOSPITAL
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CHRISTINA      30TH DEC 2008     77 GLENCARRAIG NURSING    WILLIAM MURPHY BROTHER  1929
MURPHY                                           HOME, KNOCKLYON
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JANE ROSALEEN   26TH JULY 2011  80  BRADFORD YORKSHIRE WILLIAM MURPHY BROTHER  1931
BRAYNE, MURPHY     
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HOPING THIS WILL HELP YOU FURTHER.
PLEASE CAN I ASK A FEW QUESTIONS
ONE ON THE 1901 CENSUS YOU HAVE MURPHY ANN 50 FEMALE SERVANT
                                                        MURPHY JOHN 51 MALE SON
NOW HE COULD NOT BE A SON HE IS THE OLDEST THERE.COULD HE HAVE BEEN ANN.S HUSBAND
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AND AGAIN ON 1901 CENSUS YOU HAVE KELLY MARY AGE 6 FEMALE GRAND CHILD
                       1911 CENSUS YOU HAVE KELLY GINNEY AGE 16 FEMALE GRAND DAUGHTER
COULD THIS BE THE SAME YOUNG LADY
AND ANN MURPHY DOES NOT HAVE ANY DAUGHTERS.PETER.PADDY THOMAS AND MICHAEL NO DAUGHTER. SO HOW DO YOU GET THE NAME KELLY.HE MUST HAVE MARRIED A DAUGHTER     
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JUST A THOUGHT .THANK YOU .AGAIN FOR MAKING US ALL SO HAPPY. 

[jnoone]

Hi Bob
The Mary Kelly on the 1901 census may or may not be related to the Murphys.The census was filled in by Maria Greeg (head of household) and she lists her as her grandchild. The census return looks a bit confused and may contain mistakes.Is there anything to link Maria Greeg to the Murphys?
Either that or John and Anne Murphy had a daughter who married a Kelly and this daughter and her husband are not on the census for some reason.

[bobdunford6]

talking to the murphy family in dublin
they ask could maria greeg be ann dunford sister. who married amr greeg.
and john dunford married to ann ? dunford.they now are asking all around
you say i can order a photo copy of the marriage from Gro roscommon.have they got a email address could they send a copy to me through my computer attachment do you think .then perhapes i could order more information like birth baptism death marriage and pass the information back to you.
can you help please .my wife said please tell them how good they are in your office we cannot thank you enough.you have been great .thank you again.

[genseacher]

Hi Bob

Have a look at this thread from start to end
Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=599538.0

I have ordered certs from GRO Roscommon by post and have found them extremely efficient, I normally order research certs (photocopy) and each cert costs €4.00.  I have a standard letter/template where I state looking research cert (photocopy) of the original register for genealogy purposes

Name of person
Type of cert i.e. birth death or marriage
Registration District
Year Quarter
Volume No.
Page No.

From what I can see from the thread above people have ordered them by fax, and received them by email obviously you must provide a credit card no.

Regards
Genseacher

[genseacher]

Bob

I have found a Mary Murphy 28 Monasterboice Road, Crumlin on 1939-40 electoral roll
http://www.dublinheritage.ie/electoral/viewdoc.php?searchparam=search_surname%3Dmurphy%26search_firstname%3D%26search_street%3DMONASTERBOICE+ROAD%26from%3D1939%26to%3D1939%26search_number%3D%26search_polling%3D%26search_reg%3D%26start%3D0%26searchtype%3Dadvanced&searchback=&voterid=0000870170&djvufile=&djvupath=

Some more Murphy's in Westmoreland Park
http://www.dublinheritage.ie/electoral/viewdoc.php?searchparam=search_surname%3D%26search_firstname%3D%26search_street%3DWESTMORELAND+PARK%26from%3D0%26to%3D0%26search_number%3D%26search_polling%3D%26search_reg%3D%26start%3D0%26searchtype%3Dadvanced&searchback=&voterid=0000910031&djvufile=&djvupath=

Dublin City electoral rolls 1908 and 1939 - 40 are available online
http://www.dublinheritage.ie/electoral_rolls/index.htm

Regards
genseacher
 

[genseacher]

Hi Bob
I am trying to decipher your post

talking to the murphy family in dublin
they ask could maria greeg be ann dunford sister. who married amr greeg.
and john dunford married to ann ? dunford.

Can you confirm who Ann Dunford sister, who married amr greeg who is amr greeg
And who is John Dunford married ann?

Regards
Genseacher

[bobdunford6]

my wifes family in dublin ireland have asked me to ask you
is it possible that maria greeg 49 years old in 1901 could have been john murphy sister who married a mr greeg and thats why they all lived together in 172 leeson park avenue.or could she have been sister to anne murphy was her  maiden name greeg.
then there is mary kelly aged 6 in 1901,who.s grand daughter was she
was anne murphy the wife of john murphy,and was michael aged 14.thomas aged 11.patrick aged 19.
there children
one more child in the 1911 census peter murphy aged 39 .who would have been 29 in 1901 census .he was not living with his family then ./was he married .living some place else and came back home to live with his family in the 1911 census
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in the 1911 census we have Ginney kelly not mary, any more could her name have been mary Ginney Kelly.
Now in the 1911 census peter murphy has turned up,
with dick murphy aged 16.mary murphy aged 14 .and peter murphy aged 8 could these be his children .perhapes his wife had died.
we have paddy murphy, aged  28.not patrick any more   
we have anne now 60 years old but no john murphy has he died.
and michael murphy is not in this census.has he got married
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more information from my wife Kathleen Murphy/ Dunford
if this is helpful to you
in  30th Sept 1956.when Thomas Murphy died.at St Kevins Hospital
and was living at 122 Keogh Sqaure Inchicore Dublin
i was sent to 1 Westmoreland Street  Renalagh Dublin
to tell some relatives of his death
there was a lady there called Ginney who had with her two young children
which was her children or her grand children
aged between 6 years and 10 years old
Ginney never lived at that address but in Crumlin area of Dublin.
at this address lived a lady they all called Nan.and Paddy(Patrick) Murphy.and Judy Murphy
not sure if Judy was Paddy.s Wife or not
hoping this might help you as well.