In a pickle

[swampinstein]

I'm in a bit of a pickle trying to sort through some info i have.

I have four names that seem to be connected in some way but I just can't seem to find the common denominator. The more i look the more I get confused
I'll start at the beginning and hope I don't confuse you along the way.

I was looking for info on my 3X great grandfather and trying to find the mother of his children,which I believe was Sarah Bailey or a woman with the last name Bailey. I assume the surname by the 1861 census which has my 3X G Grandfather John Robinson having his father in law John Bailey living with him. There is no mention of a mother but there is a woman living there by the name Maria Bott who is described...woman of the house.
If I go back one census to 1851, John Robinson has a Maria Turner living with him, described as ...chore woman. There are two children living there....Mary Ann Turner age 5 and a Thomas Turner age 4. Also a woman by the name Susan Bason who is classed as a pauper and a lodger.
I assumed maria Turner was thee Maria Bott, so I did a bit more digging and found a Maria Bott married a William Turner
I found a marriage for a Maria Bott marrying John Robinson 1887 Hinckley..So i'm assuming John married this chore/woman of the house many years later.
I then found a newspaper article which says a Benjamin Bailey was charged with assaulting Maria Robinson at Hinckley....so here is the Bailey/Robinson connection again. But this was in 1868, was Maria Bott/Turner using the Robinson name? at the time she wasn't yet married to John Robinson. Or is this a red herring?
Another thing that confuses me is the 1861 census states
John Robinson
maria Bott
Mary A Robinson
Thomas Robinson
Sarah Robinson 1853
William Robinson 1855
John Robinson 1857
George Robinson 1861
John Bailey 1796 father in law

The first two children were Turners in 1851 census and not Robinson

I decided to try to find out who this Susan Bason was, all i knew was that in 1851 she was an 86 year old pauper living with John Robinson.
I found in the 1871 Sharnford a John Bailey (which I assume must be John Robinsons Father in law) living with Joseph and Ann Bason.
I did a bit more digging and found 1841 census...
Susan Bason age 76 (which I believe is the pauper living with John Robinson in 1851)
Thomas Groom 1824
William Groom 1826
Susanna Bason aged 31
william Bason age 9
Elizar Bason age 7
Elizabeth Bason age 5

Now here is another connection...the name Groom......John Bailey's father in law  was married to a Mary groom nee Robinson.

So now I'm totally confused who is who and I still haven't found Sarah Bailey the wife I believe of John Robinson.

If I haven't confused you all, any help would be great.....what is the connection and where is sarah?

A few details...
John Robinson was born Sharnford abt 1815
Maria Bott I believe was born Bagworth about 1821
John Bailey was born Sharnford abt 1797

[swampinstein]

sorry part of that should say...John Bailey John Robinson's father in law was married to Mary Groom nee Robinson

[KGarrad]

Let's start with all the details from the 1861 census!

Class: RG 9; Piece: 2259; Folio: 92; Page: 12
Village Bottom End, Sharnford, Leicestershire

Robinson, John  Head Unmarried  M  46  Ag Lab  b Sharnford
Bott, Maria  Woman  Married  F  46  Woman in the House  b Bagworth
Robinson, Mary A  Daughter  F  15  Stocking Framework Knitter  b Sharnford
Robinson, Thomas  Son  M  13  Outdoor Work  b Sharnford
Robinson, Sarah  Daughter  F  8  Scholar  b Sharnford
Robinson, William  Son  M  6  Scholar  b Sharnford
Robinson, John  Son  M  4  Scholar  b Sharnford
Robinson, George  Son  M  9 months  b Sharnford
Bailey, John  Father-in-Law  Widower  M  66  Stocking Framework Knitter  b Sharnford

Of course, the obvious solution is to purchase a Birth Certificate of one of the children?

[swampinstein]

just to confuse me more on fbmd I found a Sarah Bott marrying a John Robinson in 1844...lol

[swampinstein]

That sounds a good idea.

[KGarrad]

Although John Bailey is named as Father-in-Law, that can't be the relationship as we know it now, because John (snr) isn't married?!

And, nothing to indicate he has any relationship with Maria Bott?

So, (IMHO) that's a red herring?!

[swampinstein]

So no father in law....no relationship with Maria.....where did all these kids come from ...lol

[KGarrad]

If I was a betting man, I'd lay money on Maria Bott being the mother of at least some of his children!

[swampinstein]

Well she did live with him for a long time...he must have got some benefits