John Cumming lookup Request

[andycand]

Info from Military records here, Andy:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,647079.msg4947490.html#msg4947490

Reply #5 on this thread said that the Military Papers gave his birth as Denn or Dinn, Cavan but I see that spacecookie has since edited the post and added  Got mixed up with the other GG Grandfather

Cumming is of interest to me as it is one of my main family names and have had some difficulty finding documentary evidence in the OPRs suggesting some may not have been Church of Scotland. It is why I asked the question as to whether there is documentary evidence of Georges parents.

Andy

[kiwihalfpint]

Hi,

I thought I had found him when I searched the 57th Regiment on my Discharged in NZ, on the other thread, but it was the wrong chap, with the surname John Cummins from Clonmel.  Anyway, aren't the muster books kept at Kew?   Would they be of help?

I also answered the other thread as I have a George Cumming before 1700 in my tree along with the Imlach's.  Made me curious but obviously no connection.

Cheers
KHP

[Gadget]

This is the only one I can find, KHP, but he's in Aldershot in 1871/81 married to Fanny Cummings ~

The Ayrshire George enlisted in 20 May 1843, Glasgow (78th Foot)  and was discharged 6 June 1863, Dover :

Persian Campaign 1857
Indian Campaign 1857 onwards


There are 9 possible  baptisms from Ayrshire to Inverness shire that could be him. Not sure where spacecookie got the born Marnoch from 


Gadget

[Forfarian]

I've just been looking through the census transcription 1841-1871 and none of them have Marnoch transcribed correctly so if spacecookie took the info from those, I'm not surprised.

Just to emphasize "never trust a transcription - get the original".

[Gadget]

I've just been looking through the census transcription 1841-1871 and none of them have Marnoch transcribed correctly so if spacecookie took the info from those, I'm not surprised.

Just to emphasize "never trust a transcription - get the original".

Quite 

[spacecookie]

Hi Andy, thanks for replying. I have the Military Records for George Imlach Cumming from a family member that obtained them from here in New Zealand.I was going to attach them for you but they were to big.A brief outline,22/7/1843 enlisted with the 57th Reg of Foot, stating born in Banff, born 1825.   6/12/1843  to 1860 in India, Crimean, then back to India.Then Sent to NZ for the Maori Land Wars, arrived 21/1/1861. He died 1873 NZ. he was awarded several medals and ended up Major Cumming. I was given the Parents of George by  a family member also, so i assumed they had the info from a cert of some sort.I was sent some 1871 census info on a John and Jean Cumming which will be on my Rootschat-"Cumming John and or George Imlach", Banffshire history.Im only new to this so in not sure how to do a few things and what info to take as correct,as alot seem to be conflicting. thanks.

[spacecookie]

Hi, i guess if they just have the parents names on the death printout or marriage cert there isnt a way to verify exactly who and where they were, especially if there is no birth cert for George.

[andycand]

I was given the Parents of George by  a family member also, so i assumed they had the info from a cert of some sort.I was sent some 1871 census info on a John and Jean Cumming which will be on my Rootschat-"Cumming John and or George Imlach", Banffshire history.Im only new to this so in not sure how to do a few things and what info to take as correct,as alot seem to be conflicting. thanks.

I think you need to get documentation to support information you have. Familysearch.org does say that Georges father was John but doesn't appear to have mothers name. Don't assume that the person who gave you his mothers name has documentation as they may have made an assumption that, having found the John Cumming/Jane Jamieson, they were his parents. You could try to contact the family member to see if they have evidence, or how they came to that conclusion.

I believe that it was suggested you get NZ death documentation to see what that says. I'm not sure what is included but mothers name and/or fathers occupation would be useful.

Andy 

[kiwihalfpint]

Yes, I suggested on the other thread that the OP obtains the Death Printout, but don't think that would be helpful now.   Think the marriage one would be more useful.

Unfortunately, the parents will not be listed on the Death Prinout.  After 1876 more info is added, such as the parents names are recorded along with occupation of father, and how long in NZ.

Deaths prior to 1876
When and where died       
Name and surname       
Sex         
Age         
Rank or profession
Cause of death     
Description and residence of informant     
When registered   
Signature of registrar

This explains what is on the NZ Certificates.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0uqt/

Cheers
KHP