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A ship for Capt. Ralph Hindmarsh 1800 - 1830
« on: Wednesday 07 May 14 09:23 BST (UK) »
Master  mariner, Capt. Ralph Hindmarsh from Newcastle engaged in transport service in the Mediterranean during the war with Napoleon and  ' received personally at the hands of King William IV the presentation of one of the residences in Trinity Ground Mile End in recognition of his services to the Empire'. When Napoleon went to Elba May 1814 there were a number of vessels of transport. ' A vessel owned and commanded  by Capt Hindmarsh carried members of Napoleon's household - notably Generals Drouet and Bertrand. --There is more to this story but I would like to know how I can find the name of his ship and how to verify that it was his and any other stories about him 

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Re: A ship for Capt. Ralph Hindmarsh 1800 - 1830
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 08 May 14 13:28 BST (UK) »
This list isn't what you're looking for but might be a start and lead you onto it.
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/TheShipsList/2000-09/0970318345
Someone found it for me when I was looking for info. on my gggrandfather's brig, Messenger.
Knott - Northumberland; Yorkshire (?Bridlington.)
Fenwick, Johnston - Northumberland.
Dixon; Hutchinson - York.
Shaw - ? Glasgow

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Re: A ship for Capt. Ralph Hindmarsh 1800 - 1830
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 08 May 14 18:26 BST (UK) »
Hello 'ejowynne',

Have you devoured the history section of your public library? There are tons of books about Napoleon and your man/his ship name may appear in a footnote.

Do you go to The National Archives? This file looks as if it has possibilities:

Reference:
WO 1/318
Description:

II. WAR DEPARTMENT IN-LETTERS AND PAPERS: 1. Of the French Wars period: l. Conditions of service, numbers, and miscellaneous papers: Napoleon's journey to Elba


Date:
1814
Held by:
The National Archives, Kew
Legal status:
Public Record


As RH was from Newcastle, have you trawled through the online catalogue of Tyne and Wear Archives?

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Westoe

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Re: A ship for Capt. Ralph Hindmarsh 1800 - 1830
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 08 May 14 21:16 BST (UK) »
Many thanks Westoe, you have given me some really useful advice.
I am very new to family research and following lots of strands at once. I am from NZ but will be in the UK next month and will certainly look into these sources.


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Re: A ship for Capt. Ralph Hindmarsh 1800 - 1830
« Reply #4 on: Friday 09 May 14 04:08 BST (UK) »
Thanks also to TriciaK I missed your post at first. I will definitely try that site and see where it goes.

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Re: A ship for Capt. Ralph Hindmarsh 1800 - 1830
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 14 May 14 07:25 BST (UK) »
Hello again, 'ejowynne'.

Many thanks for the kind words,  but I must say (smile) that if you are the same lass with the "friendly fire" query currently on The Mariners List, you got better, more specific information there.

Do you know the Marie Woods in that genie discussion to which Clare gave you this link?
http://www.geni.com/discussions/125895

because she also has a post of interest here:
http://spitalfieldslife.com/2011/04/20/a-renovation-at-trinity-green/

You'll need to use Control-F to find her post, but the pictures on that website should also be of great interest to you and now you have an address to hunt for.

If you are going to London to The National Archives, another file of possible interest is this one:

Reference:
ADM 108
Title:
Transport Board and successors: Records
Description:

This series consists for the most part of documents accumulated by the Transport Board, and thereafter of the transport organisations conducted by the Navy Board and Board of Admiralty. The documents comprise: In-Letters, 1773 to 1829; letters from the Admiralty, Treasury etc. Out-Letters, 1795 to 1817. Minutes, 1794 to 1829. These are generally in the nature of registers of the In-Letters and Out-Letters; Miscellaneous, 1793 to 1837. Ships and freight ledgers, papers, entry books and ledgers relating to the hire of ships at Hamburg and charter parties of the ships, 1795 to 1797; pay books of persons employed, printed rules, a claim Branch precedent book, and letter books of the Transport Office at Deal, 1796 to 1816.

Date:
1773-1868
Related Material:
Later records of the Transport Board's successors up to 1917 are in:
MT 23
MT 31
Held by:
The National Archives, Kew
Legal status:
Public Record
Language:
English
Physical description:
192 volume(s)

Don't be too disheartened because there are 192 volumes. That's for 97 years. I expect that your time period wouldn't involve more than twelve - still an all-day effort, but do-able.

Cheers,
Westoe

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Re: A ship for Capt. Ralph Hindmarsh 1800 - 1830
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 14 May 14 08:03 BST (UK) »
Thanks again Westoe. That last search sounds rather daunting but I do have a spare day. Do you think the archives at Greenwich are likely to have anything or is Kew best ?
Knowing I was going to be in London I thought I would find Trinity Green and finding the Spitalfields site ( mine is the last comment )  was what really accelerated what had been a lukewarm interest in family history into something which has taken me over. A 2x great grandfather Capt. John Dodds RN has lead me to trace Marie Woods who lives walking distance from my house!It is great to have someone to compare stories with without the eyes glazing over! We know nothing about John Dodds RN's ships, career - it is full-time to learn about his 4 wives and families. I guess that I would put those questions to the naval section  of the mariners site. Thanks again Jo

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Re: A ship for Capt. Ralph Hindmarsh 1800 - 1830
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 14 May 14 14:47 BST (UK) »
Hello Jo,

I had a quick trawl for you at Greenwich without success but since their catalogue is online, you try too as you will know more keywords than I.

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/archive.html#!asearch

Note that there is a separate catalogue for the Caird Library.

I would go back to Mariners to ask about ADM 108 and about John Dodds. Paul Benyon is very knowledgable about RN. Also ask about admission papers to Trinity Almshouses.

Here's a source you can search from home.

http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000549597

Lloyd's List is twice-weekly maritime newspaper and the issues for your time period are readable online. Now that you have the name RECOVERY, you may pick up some mentions of her movements here.

Many public libraries subscribe to the Gale-Cengage newspapers database, British Libray Newspapers 1600-1900. See if yours does. If not, FindMyPast has the British Library Newspaper Archive or you can buy a reasonably-priced short term subscription direct from the British Library Archive website (You can search there for free, but must have a subscription to read the articles). That way you can see the original where Peter found you the name RECOVERY.

http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/

Three possibles in the Trinity House Calendars:
 - baptism of Sarah 1818 in "Miscellaneous Papers"
 - petitions of Ann (widow of John) and William in Series 2
I think the Mormons have these on microfilm which you can order very reasonably to view at their Family History Centres. Is there one in NZ near you? Or, you can arrange to see the originals at London Metropolitan Archives, which also has an online catalogue.

https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Trinity_House_Petitions

http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/things-to-do/visiting-the-city/archives-and-city-history/london-metropolitan-archives/Pages/Search-the-catalogue.aspx

Cheers,
Westoe

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Re: A ship for Capt. Ralph Hindmarsh 1800 - 1830
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 14 May 14 15:35 BST (UK) »
Further to my last, Jo,

These are *possibly* your man in the Baltic timber trade. No vessel names are given in these registers, BUT ... you may pick up those vessel names from the Lloyd's List link I gave you last message.

N.B. I pulled just two examples. I did not search all spelling variations of Hindmarsh. (Smile) - had to leave you some of the fun.

http://dietrich.soundtoll.nl/public/names.php?id=858638

http://dietrich.soundtoll.nl/public/names.php?id=282021

Cheers,
Westoe