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Re: 1841 Census HO 107 / 323/ 14
« Reply #9 on: Friday 26 September 14 14:55 BST (UK) »
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Maria is listed as married "Proprietor of Houses" with her are 3 children, one
is Elizabeth aged 18 born Stratford Essex.

That fits perfectly with one of the children, Elizabeth, who was 8 in 1841 and is in the house in West Ham with her brothers and sisters but no parents.

Children in 1841 are:

Emma 1823
Robert 1825
Elizabeth 1833
Richard 1835
John 1837
Alfred 1839

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Re: 1841 Census HO 107 / 323/ 14
« Reply #10 on: Friday 26 September 14 15:02 BST (UK) »
The 1854 death notice for Joseph in NSW refers to him as Joseph Moate senior...so there must be a junior http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4802298
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Re: 1841 Census HO 107 / 323/ 14
« Reply #11 on: Friday 26 September 14 15:11 BST (UK) »
The on line tree gives several more children, including:

Joseph Balmforth Moate
Birth 24 Jul 1826 in Shoreditch, England, United Kingdom
Death 14 Aug 1889 in Glebe, New South Wales, Australia
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Re: 1841 Census HO 107 / 323/ 14
« Reply #12 on: Friday 26 September 14 15:13 BST (UK) »
So it looks as if the family split, some going to Australia with their father and some staying in England with their mother.
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Re: 1841 Census HO 107 / 323/ 14
« Reply #13 on: Friday 26 September 14 15:20 BST (UK) »
Balmforth Joseph Moate
Birth :   24 Jul 1826
Baptism :   15 Jan 1827
Saint Leonards,Shoreditch,London,England
Father:   Joseph Moate
Mother:   Maria
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Re: 1841 Census HO 107 / 323/ 14
« Reply #14 on: Friday 26 September 14 18:09 BST (UK) »
Interesting - Maria's maiden name appears to be Moate, I wonder if they were related before marriage?

Joseph Moate
Marriage    25 Mar 1818
Kirk Bramwith,York,England
bride: Maria Moate
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Re: 1841 Census HO 107 / 323/ 14
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 27 September 14 00:52 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your continuing interest and help. You have given me many paths to explore.

Getting back to my query as to the deciphering of the comment in the column alongside the children's names on the Census document. Surely it had to have some relevance to their situation, or otherwise it was a needless exercise to insert it?

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Kirby, Woods, Faherty

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Re: 1841 Census HO 107 / 323/ 14
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 27 September 14 03:17 BST (UK) »
In the 1841 Census 'Independent' often means they have some form of income, outside of an occupation being listed.

Could be a possibility.

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Re: 1841 Census HO 107 / 323/ 14
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 27 September 14 08:43 BST (UK) »
Crowsfeet, thanks.

If Emma Moate at 18 in the 1841, and she is "Independent", hazard a guess as to why.
Father in Military?
Mother gone to Doncaster to look after sick relatives?
Father gone to Australia?

I have to stop or I will go bonkers.
Again, thanks.
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Donougher, Bawden, Cahill, Mahon(e)y, Williams,
Kirby, Woods, Faherty
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