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Re: Duplicate Ceremonies in Two Locations
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 27 February 14 10:54 GMT (UK) »
If you say they had connections to both Islington & Daventry it would seem a bit of a coincidence that the 2nd. marriage was entered in Daventry by mistake.
It's possible they had the Banns read in Daventry & intended to marry there but in the meantime married by Licence in Islington.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
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Re: Duplicate Ceremonies in Two Locations
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 27 February 14 22:02 GMT (UK) »
You have come up with some interesting thoughts on how this might have come about - thanks!  In the case of the marriage, A******y has images of the marriage register from St Marys Islington so that was easy to verify - however, the Daventry entry is from their dataset "Select Marriages" (in this case" Marriage allegations for the Province of Canterbury, 1660-1851") via FamilyS****h and is a transcription, not an image.  Maybe an error has crept in there!

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Re: Duplicate Ceremonies in Two Locations
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 27 February 14 22:04 GMT (UK) »
The allegation will be that part of the Licence held at Canterbury.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Duplicate Ceremonies in Two Locations
« Reply #12 on: Friday 28 February 14 08:24 GMT (UK) »
A visit to the clergyman issuing the licence resulted in three documents, an allegation or affidavit, a marriage bond and the licence. The allegation and bond would be filed in the Diocesan Registry. After 1823 bonds ceased to be necessary.
Without the names, and a look at the records on Ancestry and Familysearch, it is difficult to give a considered opinion on the matter.

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Re: Duplicate Ceremonies in Two Locations
« Reply #13 on: Friday 28 February 14 11:06 GMT (UK) »
- however, the Daventry entry is from their dataset "Select Marriages" (in this case" Marriage allegations for the Province of Canterbury, 1660-1851") via FamilyS****h and is a transcription, not an image.  Maybe an error has crept in there!

If it appears as a transcription on familysearch you can order a copy of the document here

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Re: Duplicate Ceremonies in Two Locations
« Reply #14 on: Friday 28 February 14 11:54 GMT (UK) »
My great great grandparents James Janes and Mary Cantle seem to have married twice on the same day. (15 June 1828)  St John Baptist Bristol and St James church Bristol.  I wondered if they were different religions.
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Re: Duplicate Ceremonies in Two Locations
« Reply #15 on: Friday 28 February 14 12:01 GMT (UK) »
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St John Baptist Bristol and St James church Bristol.
If a couple married in a Chapel it will be registered twice, once in the Chapel register & again in the Parish Church register that the Chapel was made out of.
As these are 70 mls. apart that won't apply.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Duplicate Ceremonies in Two Locations
« Reply #16 on: Friday 28 February 14 14:03 GMT (UK) »
My great great grandparents James Janes and Mary Cantle seem to have married twice on the same day. (15 June 1828)  St John Baptist Bristol and St James church Bristol.  I wondered if they were different religions.

Even if they were different denominations at that date a valid marriage had to take place in a Church of England Church, both these churches were C of E.

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Re: Duplicate Ceremonies in Two Locations
« Reply #17 on: Friday 28 February 14 21:18 GMT (UK) »
I have a pair of marriages both on 3rd September 1814, I would post the images but probably get told off.
1) In the parish of St Saviour, Southwark,
Thomas Small of this parish, Batchelor, and Sophia Denman of this parish, Spinster
Married in this Church by Banns by me, W. Mann Chaplain  [also have image of the banns]
Signatures Tho: Small, Sophia Denman. Witnesses Wm. Moore, Lucy Moore
2) In the parish of St James, Westminster,
Thomas Small Esquire of the parish of St James, Westminster [not 'of this parish'], and Sophia Drake Widow of this parish,
Married in this Church by Licence by me, James Glen Curate
Signatures Tho: Small, Sophia Drake. Witnesses Wm. Moore, Lucy Moore

Register 1) is an original but 2) has all signatures in the same hand so is some sort of copy.

I tended to assume Sophia was known in one parish as unmarried and in the other as a widow; and perhaps Thomas wanted to be sure he was legally married; or some such explanation.  Or that the second entry was not of a second ceremony but just a record that the parishioner had married elsewhere (but then was there really a licence?)
Very mysterious.
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