Lilian Whitehead (1906-1979) who is her father.

[chrisaaaaa]

I have posted short questions before, then had to fill in or say I already knew that, so here is a long one.

From the oral history - to how I think it fits the records - to oops was she illegitimate??

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What I am told by my mother.
  Lilian Whitehead from Stoke (abt 1906 from death record 1979 in Isle of Man)
  Mother Anna Whitehead
  Father unknown
  Older brother John (possibly with a twin who died early), he was a publican in Staffs.
  Mother later married Jack/John Walton (He was a publican in Stoke)
  Half siblings; Rose, Clare and Frank (Rose had a twin who died early)
 
So I think I can pick up the family in 1911
  Civil Parish:    Audley
  County/Island:    Staffordshire
  Street address:    16 Colclough St, Talke Pitts, Staffs
  Registration district:    Newcastle under Lyme
  Registration District Number:    359
  Sub-registration district:    Audley
  ED, institution, or vessel:    7
  Household schedule number:    183
  Piece:    16431

This gives me a 3 year old marriage with 2 kids, and it looks like the guy took on the previous kids and has a brother in law as a lodger.
  William Henry Walton    44
  Hannah Walton    32  b Ashton Under Lyme
  John Walton    15  b Fenton, Staffs
  Lilian Walton    5  b Stoke, Staffs
  Frank Walton    3
  Clara Walton    2
  Thomas Whitehead 36  b Ashton Under Lyme, Staffordshire

I can chase Hannah and Thomas back to 1881 (but loosing Hannah in 1901)
  Occupation:    Scholar
  Registration district:    Wolstanton
  Sub-registration district:    Wolstanton
  ED, institution, or vessel:    1a
  Neighbors:    View others on page
  Piece:    2704
  Folio:    13
  Page Number:    20

The family
  Alfred Whitehead    34
  Harriet Whitehead    36
  Fred Whitehead    10
  Robert Whitehead    8
  Thomas J. Whitehead    5  b Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire, England
  Hannah Whitehead    2  b Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire, England


So do people agree it is a good fit for the family as described, Anna -> Hannah, Jack -> William and Clare -> Clara are problematic. Maybe Jack was a nickname?

If I have all that correct, can anyone find Hannah and John in 2001?

And how about Lilians dad, was Hannah unmarried or did short marriage(s) slip though the censuses?

[groom]

   And how about Lilians dad, was Hannah unmarried or did short marriage(s) slip though the censuses?

What you have found looks good to me. I would say that Hannah wasn't married, given that the brother in law was also a Whitehead. Do you have Lilian's birth certificate, that would probably confirm it?

[suzard]

this looks like Hannah i 1901
200 Cauldon Rd Hanley Staffs
Elizabeth Tranter head W 58 Grocer Cheadle Cheshire
William Henry Hall son in law M 34 Cooper Stoke Staffs
Leah Hall daughter M 28 Stoke
Albert Tranter son U 35 Potter's earth sanitary Presser Hanley Staffs
Ernest Tranter son U 21 Plumber Hanley
Hannah Whitehead visitor U 21 Ashton u lyne Lancs
RG13 2605 94 4

John Walton is with his parents in 1901 - will post details shortly

Suz

[chrisaaaaa]

@groom - I was going to get a bit of help here before forking out and waiting a month for the cert, especially as I am not sure it is the right Lilian Whitehead.

The birth record for my guess is before maiden names were recorded, going later to Annie (cannot find Rose) shows Whitehead as a maiden name, but that could be a previous marriage anyway.

@suz - I found her but thought she would have her 5 year old along with her, but if you can find John Whitehead with his parents that would be a great help.

Ta

Chris

[suzard]

It looks like by 1911 Hannah had 2 children (Frank & Clara) with her husband William Henry Walton
They married Dec qtr 1907

Hannah already had Lilian who it seems was illegitimate

The older "brother" John Walton looks like he was a child from Thomas Henry Waltons previous marriage

1901
Foley St Fenton Staffs
William H Walton Head M 33 Iron Fitter Barnsley Yorks
Eliza wife M 35 Potter's paintress Fenton Staffs
Henry E Walton son 9 Fenton Staffs
William A Walton son 7 Dewsbury Yorks
JOHN WALTON son 5 Fenton Staffs

RG13 2611 19 29

what is puzzling me is you have Hannah marrying John/Jack Walton who was a publican - but then have 1911 census with her married to William Henry Walton??

or have I misread something?

Suz

[groom]

what is puzzling me is you have Hannah marrying John/Jack Walton who was a publican - but then have 1911 census with her married to William Henry Walton??

His occupation in 1911 doesn't fit with "John" as a publican either.

[groom]

Marriage, so if that is correct it doesn't look as if she married a John.

Marriages Dec 1907   
 
WALTON    William Henry        Stoke T.    6b   514      
WHITEHEAD    Hannah        Stoke T    6b   514

There are no marriages of a John Walton to a Whitehead.

[chrisaaaaa]

I suppose I should have thought of another wife.

I went with William Walton for Jack Walton, just though the weight of kids names, marriage and Lilians birth date/area. The newly discovered older brothers Henry and William were never mentioned.

But I realize it is not concrete, and looking shakier now, hence asking the experts here.

Maybe there is an Ann who married a Whitehead, had John and Lilian, then married Jack Walton out there but I could not find them.

Chris

[suzard]

I have posted short questions before, then had to fill in or say I already knew that, so here is a long one.

From the oral history - to how I think it fits the records - to oops was she illegitimate??

--------------------------
What I am told by my mother.
  Lilian Whitehead from Stoke (abt 1906 from death record 1979 in Isle of Man)
  Mother Anna Whitehead
  Father unknown
  Older brother John (possibly with a twin who died early), he was a publican in Staffs.
  Mother later married Jack/John Walton (He was a publican in Stoke)
 Half siblings; Rose, Clare and Frank (Rose had a twin who died early)

Clare and Frank were Waltons not Whiteheads - going by details on 1911 census - when was Rose born - what was the name of the twin who died? and why do you think Hannah married John/jack Walton?
 

This gives me a 3 year old marriage with 2 kids, and it looks like the guy took on the previous kids and has a brother in law as a lodger.
  William Henry Walton    44
  Hannah Walton    32  b Ashton Under Lyme
  John Walton    15  b Fenton, Staffs
  Lilian Walton    5  b Stoke, Staffs
  Frank Walton    3
  Clara Walton    2
  Thomas Whitehead 36  b Ashton Under Lyme, Staffordshire

I can chase Hannah and Thomas back to 1881 (but loosing Hannah in 1901)
  Occupation:    Scholar
  Registration district:    Wolstanton
  Sub-registration district:    Wolstanton
  ED, institution, or vessel:    1a
  Neighbors:    View others on page
  Piece:    2704
  Folio:    13
  Page Number:    20

The family
  Alfred Whitehead    34
  Harriet Whitehead    36
  Fred Whitehead    10
  Robert Whitehead    8
  Thomas J. Whitehead    5  b Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire, England
  Hannah Whitehead    2  b Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire, England


So do people agree it is a good fit for the family as described, Anna -> Hannah, Jack -> William and Clare -> Clara are problematic. Maybe Jack was a nickname?

If I have all that correct, can anyone find Hannah and John in 2001?

And how about Lilians dad, was Hannah unmarried or did short marriage(s) slip though the censuses?

Suz