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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Census Winchcombe
« on: Saturday 16 April 22 17:09 BST (UK)  »
Hi Stella

I was the author of the article that Monica referred you to.

Over the years I’ve done a fair bit of research into the inhabitants of Winchcombe’s 19th century streets. If you can let me know which people you’re interested in and which census you’re looking  at I’ll see if I can help.

ROB

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Isle of Man Lookup Requests / Re: Death of ELizabeth APPLETON 1859-1861
« on: Sunday 28 February 21 12:49 GMT (UK)  »
The GRO website at http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ shows that the Elizth Appleton whose death (aged 0) was registered at Liverpool in the first quarter of 1861, was born and registered in the same quarter, and that her mothers maiden name was Dodds. This was therefore not the child of Elizth Appleton nee Quine.

In any event, I feel that its far more likely that the final days of Elizth Appleton nee Quine were on the Isle of Man, probably in the Castletown / Malew area, which is where she would have lived.

Since she married John Appleton on 15 Nov 1859 at the parish church of Malew, and he remarried, as a widower, on 28 March 1861, then Elizth’s death and burial must have been during that 16 month span.

ROB

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Isle of Man Lookup Requests / Re: Death of ELizabeth APPLETON 1859-1861
« on: Wednesday 24 February 21 17:45 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you both for your responses today. It’s puzzling that the burial of Elizth Apppleton (nee Quine) is not in the online burial index for the Isle of Man, either under Appleton or Quine.

Her marriage to John Appleton in 1859 was at the parish church of Malew, and I understand that Castletown is close by. Their marriage lines indicate that John was then a soldier at Castletown barracks.

Accidental death, a fatal illness, or death in childbirth seem to be the most likely causes of Elizth’s death during the sixteen month span between her wedding day (15 Nov 1859) and when her husband, John, remarried (28 March 1861). Elizth’s parents are shown as living in Castletown in the 1861 census, so I would have expected her burial to be in the Castletown / Malew area.

I don’t know if there was a hospital on the Isle of Man in the mid 19th century, but the idea that Elizth could have been sent to Liverpool for hospital treatment is an interesting one, especially in view of the death registration of an Elizth Appleton there in the first quarter of 1861.

Corporal John Appleton was discharged from the Army on 1 January 1861 – after 22 years service –he was then aged 41.

Described as “widower”, John remarried (to Catherine Curphey, aged 28, at Kirk Braddan, near Douglas, on 28 March 1861) and a few days later, when the 1861 census took place, he and his new bride were lodging in Portland Street, Liverpool, but there was no baby with them. They subsequently relocated to Birmingham, before starting a family there the following year.

ROB

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Isle of Man Lookup Requests / Death of ELizabeth APPLETON 1859-1861
« on: Wednesday 10 February 21 12:36 GMT (UK)  »
I'm searching for the death or burial record of Elizabeth Appleton (nee Quine), born 1828, who died sometime between her wedding day(15 November 1859) and the day her husband, John, remarried (28 March 1861) as a widower. Both weddings were on the Isle of Man. Elizabeth was born at Castletown, and was living there in 1841 and 1851. Her husband John was a soldier, attached to the Castletown Barracks.

It therefore seems likely that Elizabeth died and was buried in or close to Castletown. Confirmation of her death / burial would be much appreciated.

Rob

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: SEARCHING FOR OCCUPANTS OF VIRGINIA TERRACE IN THE 1830s
« on: Monday 14 January 19 09:33 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Monica. Interesting to see that the map shows Virginia Terrace as a ribbon of properties on the south-west side of Great Dover Road. So it was not really a separate street at all, but simply part of the Great Dover Road (which is sometimes referred to as Great Dover Street or Dover Road).

ROB

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: SEARCHING FOR OCCUPANTS OF VIRGINIA TERRACE IN THE 1830s
« on: Wednesday 09 January 19 23:31 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for all your suggestions, which I’ve been taking a close look at. It appeared from the 1832 and 1842 street directories that Virginia Terrace might have been quite a small street, but the number of families there in the 1841 census (I make it 22 in all - and have transcribed them all) indicates otherwise. The number of property owners who took out fire insurance (as per the TNA records), as well as the number of households where there was more than one servant, suggests that Virginia Terrace was a reasonably prosperous neighbourhood.

I agree that a good candidate for the anonymous author would be the solicitor Horatio William Davison (said to be aged 35 in the 1841 census) or, perhaps more likely, his father, Richard Davison (aged 65 in 1841). The ‘google books’ reference indicates that Horatio was living in Virginia Terrace in 1836 – the year before publication of ‘A History of Winchcombe’ - and the census shows that he was still there in 1841. Indeed, thanks to Ancestry we can see that in his 1833 articles of clerkship Horatio gave his address as Great Dover Street, Southwark, his master being Anthony Brown, solicitor of the High Court of Chancery, of Mincing Lane, City of London. [But that means that HWD would have been about 27 when he commenced his five years of articles, which seems quite old for an apprentice].

I’ve looked in Ancestry, but to no avail, for articles of clerkship for Richard Davison (father of Horatio), but that doesn’t mean he definitely wasn’t a lawyer. The British Newspaper Archives has a few hits for a Richard Davison, attorney, but he was in Ireland. Is there any way of establishing whether a Richard Davison was a London attorney in the late 18th C /early 19th C? Also, are there any maps of Great Dover Street in the first half of the 19th C which might show where Virginia Terrace was?

ROB

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / SEARCHING FOR OCCUPANTS OF VIRGINIA TERRACE IN THE 1830s
« on: Sunday 06 January 19 14:40 GMT (UK)  »
Hi

Is there anyone who can help me find out who was living in Virginia Terrace, London, in the 1830s?

By way of explanation, a few years ago an old manuscript was donated to the museum in Winchcombe, Gloucestershire, entitled ‘The History of Winchcombe’.  It is annotated ‘London, 1837’ and the first page states:-

To
John Timbrell, Esquire,
This attempt at a History
of his native Town
is inscribed
with the highest Esteem and Regard
by his sincere Friend
The Author

On the second page of the manuscript is a letter to the recipient from ‘The Author, Virginia Terrace, 13 August 1837’, the contents of which confirm that they were friends, and it includes the following line: ‘As it is, I have been able to do little more than put together the materials furnished me by yourself’.

Recent research has indicated that the likely recipient of the manuscript was John Timbrell (1762-1844) the son of an illiterate Winchcombe papermaker, who was apprenticed to a Middlesex attorney in 1777, and subsequently lived in Kentish Town.

However, the identity of the author is proving rather more problematic. It’s apparent that the contents of the manuscript were gleaned from published books and it does not contain the sort of local detail which wold have been available to someone who was living in Winchcombe in the early 19th century, so the presumption is that the author probably was from London. All we have to go on is his address - Virginia Terrace - and googling it produces references which suggest that it was later re-named Great Dover Street (or Dover Road), which is in Southwark.

If it could be established who was living in Virginia Terrace in the 1830s it might be possible to work out who the author was.

Any suggestions would be gratefully received.

ROB

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: LOOK UP REQUEST:- ST MARTINS IN THE FIELD
« on: Friday 21 December 18 09:36 GMT (UK)  »
My thanks to you all for your responses – and particularly for revealing the name of Millborough Carlton’s father.

ROB

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / LOOK UP REQUEST:- ST MARTINS IN THE FIELD
« on: Thursday 20 December 18 17:25 GMT (UK)  »
Hi

I’m doing some research into George Edmunds Williams, a Cheltenham solicitor, who married Millborough Carlton at St Martins in the Field, Westminster, on 19 February 1843.

Millborough is proving difficult to trace prior to 1843 so I’m keen to find out the name and occupation of her father.

If someone is able to obtain the full details of George and Millborough’s marriage lines I’d be very grateful.

ROB

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