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Sometimes it seems like "forever" before finding the answers to questions! Many thanks for the reference.

Stephen's will was dated 6 Dec 1811 -- must have been on his "deathbed."

By the way, Ringwould is about 1½ miles from Church Street, Walmer.

Yes, I'm quite satisfied that Martha Holtum (d/o Isaac Holtum & Ann Murton) is the person erroneously believed to be Ann.
   The confusion arose when I assumed (dangerously) that the Ann Woodland who was a witness to Isaac's will was his daughter. Another Ann Woodland (d/o Thomas & Martha) would have been too young at 8 years to be a witness (interesting to note that Martha was 42 when her daughter was born).
   It appears that the witness was, in fact, Thomas' sister.

Hi Bryant:

Thanks for the vote of confidence but ...

Yes, Sarah Catherine married John Cook on 20 Aug 1848 at St Mary's Lambeth -- her father was noted as Henry Jacobs in the IGI extract. No, I didn't order the certificate (there's a limit to the number of times I want to spend £7). I'm certain that the 1850 St James Westminster death entry for John Cook in the correct one.

I've no reason to believe that the senior Henry Jacobs left the Soho area (except perhaps to die -- 4Q 1851 St Geo Han Sq). Known addresses were Little Newport St., Sutton St. (off Soho Square) and Downs Place. The junior Henry Jacobs certainly moved south of the river where he married the former Mary Evans who was born in Clapham, SUSSEX in spite of census entries that suggest otherwise (Mary's father John was described as a farmer on her certificate of marriage. Even assuming John was only an Ag. Lab., there would have been very little opportunity for farm work in Clapham, SURREY. John was still in Clapham, SUSSEX in the 1841 census records).

The junior Henry moved back across the river after the birth of his second child -- the third child Samuel Charles was born 23 Dec 1851 in St Martin's (White Hart Court was within 'spitting distance' of St Martin's Church). There is reason to believe that Samuel Charles did some family history research in later life but nothing of significance was found in his effects following his death in 1937 -- probably everything was "binned."

Of course, in the grand scheme of things, I would be more interested in finding the roots of the senior Henry. With the 1851 census being the only record pointing to his being born in Holland, there's little to go on. Family legend (perhaps from Samuel Charles' research) implied that the name may have been Jacobsen -- I did find a Henricus Jacobsen born about 1784 in Nijmegen but no way to prove it's the same person. Oh, well!

cheers, Harry

Hi Bryant:

Thanks for the response -- definitely NOT my family! Henry's occupation was 'straw bonnet presser' both on his son's birth record and on 1851 census.

Agree with your observation about Birth & Christening dates -- in this case, the dates of birth were included in the parish records.

Seriously doubt I'll find them in 1841 but thanks for trying.

cheers, Harry